Which airplanes weren't given a fighting chance - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

plan_D · 10-18-2005, 09:02 PM

So, you call a B-17 a two-engined bomber? After all it's got two engines on one wing. What do you call single-engined bombers? That must put you in a tight spot ... I mean ...do you say 0.5-engined bomber? You can't say no-engined bomber, that's just being silly 'cos ...you'd be screwed if a glide bomb was there ...no engine ...what's half of none?

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2005, 09:14 PM

Gnomey · 10-19-2005, 06:17 AM

helmitsmit · 10-19-2005, 07:07 AM

I think P40 that wasn'tused to its potencial because it didn't get the credit that maybe it deserved? Why didn't they give it a Merlin 61? Why did they stop at the merlin 25

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-19-2005, 10:22 AM

the P-40 was used allot and it wasn't developed further as there were better planes already.......

MacArther · 10-19-2005, 10:47 AM

I feel the same about the P40, it was a good plane that could have lasted the whole war if the upgrades were instituted. Instead, Curtiss shunned the upgrades because they could save money by just producing minorly improved models to sell to the military. Here is a model picture of what the P40 could have been developed into.

P.S. regarding a previous post, the P40's final model would have had 4 20mm guns or 6 50 cals, not the 4 50 cals stated by someone else.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=PD104

helmitsmit · 10-19-2005, 12:02 PM

Excellant picture. I'm glad you agree with me. I've always liked the P40 I don't know why it just liked better than it performed.

evangilder · 10-19-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacArther

I feel the same about the P40, it was a good plane that could have lasted the whole war if the upgrades were instituted.

They were used throughout the war. The last of the P-40s were retired from USAAF service in 1948. An order was placed for 1,000 P-40Ns in June of 1944, although it was later reduced to 220. The last one off the production line was in November of 1944. So they were in use throughout and still ordered into late 1944.

ollieholmes · 10-19-2005, 12:41 PM

i would say most of the madcap german designs, mainly the fw226 flitzer.
the me262, if it had been introduced when planned.
can i add the dh108? i know it was not ww11 but.

Glider · 10-19-2005, 12:51 PM

Going to the other end of the war I would have liked the Fokker G1 to ahve had a better chance. Its battle lasted days and most of them were just off the production line. If it had been in numbers then who knows.

Aggie08 · 10-19-2005, 10:55 PM

I love the p40, it's too bad it never got the teardrop canopy. If it had ever gotten the armament it deserved from the beginning such as 6 .50's or 4 20ml cannons, or maybe the engine it deserved from the beginning... And you are right Curtiss just gypped the hell outta the hawk, they generally they got rid of whatever wasn't requested for no matter how useful it may have been.

P38 Pilot · 10-21-2005, 05:23 PM

You have a point. The P-40 was in dire need of the 6 .50 and 20mm guns. It would have been very worthy in combat.

I still think the Junkers 390 deserved a figthing chance because at the time it was the largest bomber made. Hilter in the beggining of the war had a chance to produce 4-engined bombers including the elusive 6-engined bomber.

They would have been useful at the Battle of Britain.

jrk · 10-23-2005, 05:37 AM

the westland welkin high performance fighter.too few and not enough patience with it.

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-23-2005, 05:38 AM

it wasn't needed though..............

cheddar cheese · 10-23-2005, 05:40 AM

Re-2007

10-18-2005, 09:02 PM	#31
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	So, you call a B-17 a two-engined bomber? After all it's got two engines on one wing. What do you call single-engined bombers? That must put you in a tight spot ... I mean ...do you say 0.5-engined bomber? You can't say no-engined bomber, that's just being silly 'cos ...you'd be screwed if a glide bomb was there ...no engine ...what's half of none? __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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10-19-2005, 06:17 AM	#33
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10-19-2005, 10:22 AM	#35
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	the P-40 was used allot and it wasn't developed further as there were better planes already....... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

10-19-2005, 10:47 AM	#36
MacArther Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 892	I feel the same about the P40, it was a good plane that could have lasted the whole war if the upgrades were instituted. Instead, Curtiss shunned the upgrades because they could save money by just producing minorly improved models to sell to the military. Here is a model picture of what the P40 could have been developed into. P.S. regarding a previous post, the P40's final model would have had 4 20mm guns or 6 50 cals, not the 4 50 cals stated by someone else. http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=PD104 __________________ http://www.fictionpress.com/u/478009/ Hillary 2012: The world has to end sometime!

10-19-2005, 07:07 AM	#34
helmitsmit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 210	I think P40 that wasn'tused to its potencial because it didn't get the credit that maybe it deserved? Why didn't they give it a Merlin 61? Why did they stop at the merlin 25

10-19-2005, 12:02 PM	#37
helmitsmit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 210	Excellant picture. I'm glad you agree with me. I've always liked the P40 I don't know why it just liked better than it performed.

10-19-2005, 12:41 PM	#39
ollieholmes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bedfordshire, England Posts: 247	i would say most of the madcap german designs, mainly the fw226 flitzer. the me262, if it had been introduced when planned. can i add the dh108? i know it was not ww11 but.

10-19-2005, 12:51 PM	#40
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,918	Going to the other end of the war I would have liked the Fokker G1 to ahve had a better chance. Its battle lasted days and most of them were just off the production line. If it had been in numbers then who knows.

10-19-2005, 10:55 PM	#41
Aggie08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,013	I love the p40, it's too bad it never got the teardrop canopy. If it had ever gotten the armament it deserved from the beginning such as 6 .50's or 4 20ml cannons, or maybe the engine it deserved from the beginning... And you are right Curtiss just gypped the hell outta the hawk, they generally they got rid of whatever wasn't requested for no matter how useful it may have been. __________________ "I had ten rockets on board, and as I wasn't particularly fond of head-on attacks, I salvoed the whole lot at him. The rockets didn't hit him but but they must have scared the bejesus out of him, for he did a steep turn to starboard... I let him have the full blast, all eight fifty-calibers. I had never seen an aircraft completely disintegrate in the air the way this Me-110 did..." Bill Dunn, 406th Fighter Group Matt

10-21-2005, 05:23 PM	#42
P38 Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auburn,Alabama; USA Posts: 1,822	You have a point. The P-40 was in dire need of the 6 .50 and 20mm guns. It would have been very worthy in combat. I still think the Junkers 390 deserved a figthing chance because at the time it was the largest bomber made. Hilter in the beggining of the war had a chance to produce 4-engined bombers including the elusive 6-engined bomber. They would have been useful at the Battle of Britain. __________________ Its better to have an Army of deer being led by a lion, rather an Army of Lions being led by a deer...

10-23-2005, 05:37 AM	#43
jrk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: staffordshire Posts: 264	the westland welkin high performance fighter.too few and not enough patience with it. __________________

10-23-2005, 05:38 AM	#44
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	it wasn't needed though.............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

10-23-2005, 05:40 AM	#45
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Re-2007

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