Any ideas what this is off chaps? - Aircraft of World War II

Rocketeer · 01-31-2009, 04:58 PM

It is American WW2....I thought off some turret or indeed a bomber pilot armoured glass....any help appreciated guys!

ccheese · 01-31-2009, 05:03 PM

It probably is a frame for armored glass, but it doesn't seem to be very big.
What ? Twelve inches wide by perhaps sixteen high ?? Are there any
markings at all on the frame ??

Charles

MikeGazdik · 01-31-2009, 05:29 PM

Oil cooler / radiator encasement?

Colin1 · 01-31-2009, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccheese

It probably is a frame for armored glass, but it doesn't seem to be very big. What ? Twelve inches wide by perhaps sixteen high ?? Are there any markings at all on the frame ??

I'd say almost certainly. 12 x 16" isn't that small when you're shoe-horning it into cramped turrets and would certainly cover an exposed face peering over the top of his guns at the target.
I think the glass in this B-24 turret bears that out, certainly not identical in shape but close enough

Rocketeer · 01-31-2009, 05:40 PM

Cheers chaps.....forgot I had already asked what this is off...the scale is 12 inches....the B26 had this sort of additional armour but not this shape....did the P47 have such a unit?

Colin1 · 01-31-2009, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketeer

...did the P47 have such a unit?

It did
but the earlier razorbacks all seemed to have a trapezoid-shaped fitting; there was no apex at the top of the frame like that one. The later bubbletops had integrated, hard, laminated glass which made it practically bullet-proof and it looked nothing like that.

MikeGazdik · 01-31-2009, 11:10 PM

Are you for certain it is an American piece?

FLYBOYJ · 02-01-2009, 12:52 AM

Any numbers or stamps on it?

MikeGazdik · 02-01-2009, 01:47 AM

Think I found it, right here in this forum from 2005. There are photos in post #52. P-39 Airacobra armored glass!

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...9-a-318-4.html (P-39 D Aircobra vs. Me-109)

FLYBOYJ · 02-01-2009, 11:21 AM

I think you nailed it!

Crunch · 02-02-2009, 01:20 AM

Wow, mike, great find! Surely you must have known that was there.. You couldn't have found that cold searching!

MikeGazdik · 02-02-2009, 03:01 AM

I shall never reveal my secrets......nope, just luck. I was reading old posts on various topics. Just happened upon the photo. However, I had been looking through severl books / magazines of my own, I was looking at the cockpits of some of the planes with smallish windscreens. F4F, Spit, Airacobra, Mustang and a couple others but none of my stuff showed that picture.

Rocketeer · 02-04-2009, 10:19 AM

Mike you are an absolute star!! I pulled this item out of an old aircraft dump in Oxfordshire in the early to mid 80s (along with Whirlwind screens and others off Spitfires, Hurris B17s, Liberators etc...a veritable glass dump) but never identified this....I am delighted it is P39 (most prob a UK RAF example) and am tickled pink as it is a fav aircraft type of mine!!! Many many thanx old chap...I owe you a pint of Spitfire ale!!!

MikeGazdik · 02-05-2009, 01:08 AM

Someday I hope we meet and I will share one with you! And boy do I wish I had and old aircraft dump to rummage around! The P-39 is also one of my favorites. I really like all of the pre-war and early wartime aircraft.

Rocketeer · 02-05-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeGazdik

Someday I hope we meet and I will share one with you! And boy do I wish I had and old aircraft dump to rummage around! The P-39 is also one of my favorites. I really like all of the pre-war and early wartime aircraft.

that would be good old chap! If ever you, or any of our US aviation cousins comes over, let us know and we will show you some good museums and some good beer!

My website is default hopefully it will be updated with phots of the Mustang project etc soon...

01-31-2009, 05:03 PM	#2
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,309	It probably is a frame for armored glass, but it doesn't seem to be very big. What ? Twelve inches wide by perhaps sixteen high ?? Are there any markings at all on the frame ?? Charles __________________ I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either....

02-01-2009, 12:52 AM	#8
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	Any numbers or stamps on it? __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

02-01-2009, 01:47 AM	#9
MikeGazdik Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 240	Think I found it, right here in this forum from 2005. There are photos in post #52. P-39 Airacobra armored glass! http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...9-a-318-4.html (P-39 D Aircobra vs. Me-109) Last edited by MikeGazdik; 02-01-2009 at 01:50 AM.

02-01-2009, 11:21 AM	#10
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	I think you nailed it! __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

02-02-2009, 01:20 AM	#11
Crunch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia Posts: 355	Wow, mike, great find! Surely you must have known that was there.. You couldn't have found that cold searching! __________________ In the build; 1/72 Hurricane IIc -DONE!- Click here! 1/72 Do28 Skyservant - Decal stage 1/72 Do17 - Underway 1/72 Sarvioa Marchetti SM 79 - In the box still 1/72 RAAF DHC4 Caribou - In the box still

01-31-2009, 05:29 PM	#3
MikeGazdik Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 240	Oil cooler / radiator encasement?

01-31-2009, 05:40 PM	#5
Rocketeer Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Salisbury Posts: 54	Cheers chaps.....forgot I had already asked what this is off...the scale is 12 inches....the B26 had this sort of additional armour but not this shape....did the P47 have such a unit?

01-31-2009, 11:10 PM	#7
MikeGazdik Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 240	Are you for certain it is an American piece?

02-02-2009, 03:01 AM	#12
MikeGazdik Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 240	I shall never reveal my secrets......nope, just luck. I was reading old posts on various topics. Just happened upon the photo. However, I had been looking through severl books / magazines of my own, I was looking at the cockpits of some of the planes with smallish windscreens. F4F, Spit, Airacobra, Mustang and a couple others but none of my stuff showed that picture. Last edited by MikeGazdik; 02-02-2009 at 03:04 AM.

02-04-2009, 10:19 AM	#13
Rocketeer Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Salisbury Posts: 54	Mike you are an absolute star!! I pulled this item out of an old aircraft dump in Oxfordshire in the early to mid 80s (along with Whirlwind screens and others off Spitfires, Hurris B17s, Liberators etc...a veritable glass dump) but never identified this....I am delighted it is P39 (most prob a UK RAF example) and am tickled pink as it is a fav aircraft type of mine!!! Many many thanx old chap...I owe you a pint of Spitfire ale!!!

02-05-2009, 01:08 AM	#14
MikeGazdik Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 240	Someday I hope we meet and I will share one with you! And boy do I wish I had and old aircraft dump to rummage around! The P-39 is also one of my favorites. I really like all of the pre-war and early wartime aircraft.

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