are any still flying Harvard Mk1 or NA 49/61

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 06:07 PM

Are any of the early North American NA 49 0r 61 called the Harvard MKI still flying
also are any of the wooden winged AT6C's still around I've seen many of T6's and Harvards but can't recall these

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 06:19 PM

Hi Pbfoot,

>Are any of the early North American NA 49 0r 61 called the Harvard MKI still flying
>also are any of the wooden winged AT6C's still around I've seen many of T6's and Harvards but can't recall these

Hm, could you go into the identifying details?

The oldest North American trainer I ever saw probably was a Yale ... I don't know the exact NA or BT number, there was an entire series before the Harvard (which differed mainly by having a retractable gear).

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoHun

Hi Pbfoot,

>Are any of the early North American NA 49 0r 61 called the Harvard MKI still flying
>also are any of the wooden winged AT6C's still around I've seen many of T6's and Harvards but can't recall these

Hm, could you go into the identifying details?

The oldest North American trainer I ever saw probably was a Yale ... I don't know the exact NA or BT number, there was an entire series before the Harvard (which differed mainly by having a retractable gear).

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

The Yale or NA 57 was a different aircraft and later then the MKI

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 06:42 PM

Hi Pbfoot,

>The Yale or NA 57 was a different aircraft and later then the MKI

Hm, I admit I meant to sum up all of the fixed-gear North American types as "Yale", like often all retractable-gear types are summed up as "Harvard".

I guess you're right with regard to the NA number that actually received the official Yale number ...

I believe the BT-9, BT-14 and NJ-1 had different NA numbers.

Was the "fixed-gear" development branch older than the "retractable-gear" branch? I thought it was, but looking it up, I might have been wrong ...

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 06:51 PM

here is a pic I took( my scanner has retired ) I didn't crop it as it shows the regular tail on opposite page

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoHun

Hi Pbfoot,

>The Yale or NA 57 was a different aircraft and later then the MKI

Hm, I admit I meant to sum up all of the fixed-gear North American types as "Yale", like often all retractable-gear types are summed up as "Harvard".

I guess you're right with regard to the NA number that actually received the official Yale number ...

I believe the BT-9, BT-14 and NJ-1 had different NA numbers.

Was the "fixed-gear" development branch older than the "retractable-gear" branch? I thought it was, but looking it up, I might have been wrong ...

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

no the Yale was a later developement for the French Air Force

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 06:57 PM

Hi Pbfoot,

>here is a pic I took( my scanner has retired ) I didn't crop it as it shows the regular tail on opposite page

Ah, thanks! :-) I already found one with such a tail in my archive ... here it is. It did not fly that day, I believe, but it certainly looks airworthy!

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 07:04 PM

Thats some sort of crossbreed check out the 3 bladed prop and different canopy(count the panels)in fact in might have a PW 1820 in it . I'm thinking its an NA44 its really confusing as it seem sto have a later canopy

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 07:10 PM

Hi Pbfoot,

>in fact in might have a PW 1820 in it .

Good observation, that also would go well with the "Super Six" stencilling below the tail!

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 07:21 PM

Hi again,

>Thats some sort of crossbreed

Apparently, there were several "Super Sixes" - at least, some sites mention that three are still airworthy today.

The aircraft certainly is modified over a "normal" Harvard:

Photos: CCF Harvard Mk4 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

(Note the airliner.net type identification.)

A German site claimed that this particular Super Six was once owned by Chuck Yeager.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 07:46 PM

now is that the NA 44 fighter version with the PW 1820 that was sold to Thailand but were destroyed in the Pnilipines in 1941

wingnuts · 11-23-2008, 08:39 PM

Quite a few CAC Wirrways still flying and under restoration in Australia, another development of the Havard.

CAC Wirraway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

pbfoot · 11-23-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wingnuts

Quite a few CAC Wirrways still flying and under restoration in Australia, another development of the Havard.

CAC Wirraway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yep I'm just curious about the T6C with the wooden wings and the MK1

HoHun · 11-23-2008, 08:54 PM

Hi Wingnuts,

>Quite a few CAC Wirrways still flying and under restoration in Australia, another development of the Havard.

Interesting - I hadn't been aware of the differences in rudder shape before, but now I discover that both the Wirraway and the Boomerang have the Harvard Mk I tail Pbfoot pointed out ...

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

wingnuts · 11-24-2008, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoHun

Hi Wingnuts,

>Quite a few CAC Wirrways still flying and under restoration in Australia, another development of the Havard.

Interesting - I hadn't been aware of the differences in rudder shape before, but now I discover that both the Wirraway and the Boomerang have the Harvard Mk I tail Pbfoot pointed out ...

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Henning, This might be a bit fuzzy but you can see the general arrangement.

Plus another fuzzy photo of Wirraway construction at the CAC factory in the early 40s. My office was off to the the right, out of view... and 40 years later of course!