Ar 234 Blitz

Erich · 03-10-2005, 06:35 PM

guys hate to start a new topic like this but I just got word from a couple of Norwegian friends. price on this neat book is 14.50 Euros

looks like it maybe worth the monies ? will hunt down more specs but I am considering it as it covers the last two months of the war with the Ar 234 in mind and it's bombing and recon actions protecting the northern lands from the British/American forces as there were B-1's and B-2's stationed up there............

CharlesBronson · 03-10-2005, 07:34 PM

Ar-234 video.

I think it is some Versuchs variant.

GT · 03-11-2005, 08:44 AM

Update.

Erich · 03-11-2005, 09:25 AM

the P-51 units of the 15th and 8th US AF scored a total of 12 Ar 234's. I covered one kill at length by Don Bryan of the 352nd fg. Don scored 1 of 2 scored by the 352nd, and Don actually was engaged 4 times with the fast low jet.

4th fg 1
52nd 1
78th fg 2
339th 2
352nd 2
355th 1
356th 2
479th 1

E ~

R Leonard · 03-11-2005, 09:52 AM

Some where in the files I have the USAAF pilots manual for this bird

Erich · 03-11-2005, 10:51 AM

GT there was no 385th fighter group. do you mean the 385 th squadron of the 364th fg ? If so I do not find the fighter group scoring any Ar 234's. Maybe I have old data.....

KraziKanuK · 03-11-2005, 11:48 AM

feb 25 1945

A 234 WNr 140456, (F1+FS ??) piloted by Uffz. Arnold Przetak (KIA), of ( 8 ) III./KG76 was lost to American fighters in the Bohmke area. Oblt Koln was attacked by fighters near Achmer and bailed out with slight injuries.

Erich,

found a reference to a gun pack. WNr 140344 (NM+BR and later T9+EH) flown by Oblt Sommer had a Magirusbombe gun pack. Written off after an attempted mainwheels up landing at Udine April 16 1945.

edit: darn emicon codes.

GT · 03-11-2005, 02:32 PM

Update.

GT · 03-11-2005, 02:45 PM

Update.

Erich · 03-11-2005, 06:17 PM

40 different varinats of the jet, usually engine makeovers.

many accidnets and shot down by German AA by accident.

2 Arados are lost in the Magdeburg area on 19 November 44, 23 December 44. 1 shot down over the Rheine by ? : December 3, 44.

Feb. 10, 45 1 lost to fighter attack at Rheine.

Feb. 17, 45 1 lost while landing at Burg

Feb. 24 1 losat in combat, but the jet actually landed and later captured by US forces. nothing till.........

2 march, 2 shot down in combat with one trying to make an emergency landing, both from 9./KG 76.

the losses don't say too much and things are out of order.......ok someone really needs to make a good all around operational/tech book on thsi bird and not just the late war C model by Schiffer pubs either.

E ~

Erich · 03-11-2005, 06:20 PM

yes I see 25 February 45, 1 jet lost from 8./KG 76 F1+FS shot down in the area of Bohmke; Unteroffizier Arnold Przetak KIA

GT · 03-13-2005, 04:43 AM

Update.

Erich · 03-13-2005, 10:18 PM

this I wrote awkwardly from 2003 when I interviewed Don Bryan of the 352nd fg....

ok this is going to be somewhat mixed up as this was the case with Don as he started to reminisce about other missions with the materials on the Ar 234.
first off midway through our conversation Don was telling me about contrails, since the 352nd had some time on the east coast of the USA before being shipped over to England. They were practicing flight formation continually anywhere between 15 and 25,000 feet in theri P-47's and the first time they formed contrails Don and his wingman both announced that each other was on fire with smoke billowing out of the tails......we both had a good laugh over this as Don was just telling me about "us" kids going up having some pure fun and scaring the New Yorkers like crazy as this seemed to be the first time contrails had been seen over the city.

alright then, this will be in order I hope and bear with my spelling please....
The first time Don witnessed an Ar 234, and the (date is unclear to him except it was probably September/October 44) don was flying with his flight heading towards the sun, a scary proposition as they had already escorted some A-26's of the 9th Air force and having a difficult time keeping up with them since they were so fast. P-51's on air portection would fly zig-zag over and under the light bombers, but as the bombers flew a straight course the P-51's would lose contact and the A-26's would crank on ahead. During this withdrawl called out an A-26 coming towards them and overhead, don;s number 4 man shouted over the intercom it looks like an A-26 with big black crosses on it ! After the mission and almost 2 hours of debrief intel showed Don and the flight aerial pics of Ar 234's on an airfield for id as the guys could not really figure out what they had seen. So the A-26's without props and flying like hell were the Arado's. this was most likely the first time an 8th Air force pilot and flight were in contact with one of the new Jets.

Second instance with no date but probably November of 44, Don was above with his flight and he banked down and chased the Ar 234 to make a rear attack, " but the jet kept on going and I never caught up "

Third instance on December 31, 1944, saw my third jet and I dove down and behind it roughly 800 yards out and gave it a burst and saw strikes on one wing. My camera proved it though I didn't think I had made any hits. JC Meyer had me bank off as another Ar 234 was right behind me. We didn't know at the time that the jet did not have any forward armament......JC got in behind and gave it a burst in the fuselage which sent the Arado down confirmed. "My jet just kept on going.......damn !"

Fourth instance was on March 14, 1945 and this is the painting depicted in Troy Whites Perfidia. don was using another 352nd's pilots a/c at the time.
withdrawl with 9th air force B-26's heading west. Notice a Ar 234 below me heading and crossing me going south. I banked and chased him but he made a right turn and then "walked away" from me then as I slowly caught up he made another right turn heading north to the Remagen bridge. I let him go and thought when he passes after his bombing I'll catch him. Well that is what happened, he flew past the bridge and pulled up and put on the steam but I got in behind and dove on him and got under and behind about 1000 feet. I rolled on my back and slid a 275 degree swing and up and watched him and closed the gap to within 50 to 100 yards, pulled in and behind and at 200 yeards gave him a burst which knocked out both engines. He kept flying and I had my whole 352nd fg and another 9th air force P-47 group right behind. Well I wasn't going to let anyone bag this one, so I follwed him until he finally all at once rolled over and in so doing his canopy popped off but the pilot didn't bail. He went straight in. I followed down to tree top level and pulled 8 g's over the trees....(laughing)...geez Don !

whoa !

a little extra as we were also talking about the big Bodenplatte mission on 1-1-45 too. Don and some of his 328th squadron buddies were in a 4 foot by 8 foot ditch at a right angle and they watched as the Bf 109's and Fw 190's of JG 11 came screaming over the airfield of Y-29, Asch Belgium. The German a/c were making repeated dives and strafes at the end of the field where lined up were B17's, B-24's a Wellington or two (south-west corner)// I've got to include this....don and his mates went to the bombers previously and drained all the fuel from the bombers to use in their camp stoves for heating as it was one of the coldest winters in Belgium on record// anyway the German a/c kept going after the vacant bombers and hit after hit with the heavy 20 and 30mm kanons did minimal damge except to scatter aluminum all over the end of the field. They could not understand why the bombers were not going up in flames with their hits........now you know why !
JgC Meyer and his 428th fs had just tanken off and with their expertize massacered JG 11 as the German a/c were trying to get away. Don witnessed some unbelievable flying and on two occassions this day saw and could not believe two Bf 109's trying to split-S 50 feet above the tarmac. The end result was scattering(disintegration) of both a/c all over the field.
The only P-51 that the 352nd lost this date was Don's gorgeous P-51 "Little one III", named after his honey and future wife. Was Don pissed off to say the least.......so Don traded with Lt. George Middleton and flew P-51 "Worra Bird 3rd" till wars end, coded PE*J.

~E

--------------------GT you date of December 21, 44 is incorrect.

Erich · 03-13-2005, 10:25 PM

GT, apoligies !

Don damaged a Ar 234 on 21 December 44 as you said and his CO Meyer scored a confirmed Ar 234 on the 31 of December 44. Don got his date mixed up. Had to check the 352nd fg dat base...........

E ~

GT · 03-14-2005, 03:48 AM

Update.