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07-06-2006, 10:40 AM
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#196 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Point to the above post:
No matter how much your church it up, the B-25 was not a Carrier Operable Aircraft.
You can land a C-130 on a carrier but is it Carrier Operable? No.
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07-06-2006, 10:40 AM
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Country:  | Flying off an Aircraft Carrier on one mission does not make the plane carrier capable. The point everyone is making, and you're obviously missing, is the B-25 couldn't continue operations off a carrier for a prolonged period of time due it lacking all the parts vital to a naval aircraft.
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07-06-2006, 11:05 AM
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#198 | | Der Crewchief
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Does that make the B-25 a bad aircraft? Absolutely not. She was a great aircraft.
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07-06-2006, 11:09 AM
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#199 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | Agree - A navailized B-25 was/ is a "could of - should of."
Although it would of been kind of cool to see a B-25 with folding wings!!!!
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07-06-2006, 11:15 AM
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#200 | | Der Crewchief
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07-06-2006, 11:20 AM
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07-06-2006, 11:32 AM
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#202 | | Der Crewchief
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07-06-2006, 01:26 PM
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#203 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | The other thing to consider is just how stripped down and lightened up those B-25's of the Doolittle raid were.... They sacriced so much for less weight, they used broomsticks for guns...
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07-06-2006, 01:55 PM
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07-06-2006, 02:35 PM
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| As mentioned before the storage problem exists and in fact is probably the biggest and maybe only real issue.
Wing fold etc were standard items by '43. Modifications including strengthening of the magnitude required are also standard for naval aircraft or any other aircraft in its production run. Catapult launches were accomplished by those tests so thats not an issue either.
However, the Midway and Esex classes were straight deck carriers. Storage was always problematic as there was NO spots on the deck that were not flight orientated and retrofits of the required elevators would be a major issue. Also being the size of two fighters or Avengers would reduce the aircraft available by almost half. Landing with aircraft spotted in front of the barrier, nothing more that a steel net, would be a huge problem to.
Really not effective for that time and place.
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07-06-2006, 03:05 PM
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| Thats why the idea was probably abandonded.
But what if you use the carriers for staging? have the planes on board for an attack, fly back and refuel and then continue on to an airbase?
Note - the B25's used by the Doolittle raiders had three .50's.
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07-06-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Thats why the idea was probably abandonded.
But what if you use the carriers for staging? have the planes on board for an attack, fly back and refuel and then continue on to an airbase? | Been done with fighters exept they kept fying to their bases....  
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07-06-2006, 05:44 PM
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| I mean make it a shuttle bombing concept. Planes take off from an airbase, land on the carrier to arm and refuel, and then fly to their targets. Maybe even come back for more fuel and bombs.
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07-06-2006, 05:51 PM
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#209 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Because then you still have the problem that we just talked about up there. There is no room for all the planes on the deck while the others are landing and there is no room for the planes to land while too many are on the deck. If some stay aloft and fly around while the other refuel, then you run into the problem of planes running out of fuel and ditching into the ocean.
Still not a very good idea and would not work very well.
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07-06-2006, 06:34 PM
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| A) without modification they couldn't land.
B) Modified they probably could land (as long as the arrestor gear was modified and that isn't a job to be done in a few days. Design, build, test, install maybe 3-5 months) but cannot be struck down into the hanger
c) If they cannot be struck down into the hanger the deck cannot be used for anything else, including fighters to defend the ship
D) All the other points raised by everyone else. It wasn't going to work.
Earlier a question was asked about why the A20 or B26 were not used. My understanding was that the A20 was too small and the B26 with its higher takeoff speeds was an unnecessary risk with the B25 available. | |
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