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Battle Damaged B-17s

Aviation Discuss Battle Damaged B-17s in the World War II - Aviation forums; Here is a good website on battle-damaged B-17s. http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm It is amazing how much damage some of them took and ...

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    Battle Damaged B-17s

    Here is a good website on battle-damaged B-17s. http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm
    It is amazing how much damage some of them took and still flew .

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    Udet needs to take a look at that site as it merely serves to prove my point from the "best bomber" thread.

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    You may want to check out the story of the "All American". It was involved in a mid-air collision with an FW-190 that almost cut the B-17 in 2. She made it home and the airframe collapsed soon after landing. I wouldn't call it a normal occurrence, but it was amazing!
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    I've seen them before but they never fail to amaze me. Those B-17s certainly could take a kicking. I've seen this picture of a waist gunner with a big hole in his FlaK jacket which was caused by a deflected 20mm round that had ricocheted through the fuselage of the -17, luckily he got it in the chest and nowhere else.
    "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

    To those in that club.

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    It's unbelievable what some of those Forts took!

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    but allot of them still went down..................

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    Its still unbelieveable, I cant see lancs taking that much damage and surviving...

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    I heard (I only heard it once so I may be off a little) that tha original 'Memphis Bell' had

    9 Engine replacements
    2 wing replacements
    1 complete eppenage replacement
    1ea rudder and elevator replacement
    minor stuff every mission

    for 25 missions! This level of maintenance was "normal"

    One of the reasons the Movie was over the top is that they tried to illistrate too much of this.

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    So, in fact, the Memphis Belle wasn't the original Memphis Belle - at all.
    "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

    To those in that club.

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    I really don't think that ANY surviving fortresses were all factory original parts when they returned. I would be real surprised if there were. Like the new sig, plan_d.


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    So, the Memphis Belle never finished 25 missions. It just kept leaving bits all over Europe. I would be surprised if any actually made it unscathed. I doubt that's possible, with all the FlaK.

    And thank ya, better if it was a 11 Sqn. Lightning but hey - got to make do.
    "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

    To those in that club.

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    Well, I guess you could say MOST of the Memphis Belle made it through. It was usually more about the crew making it through than the airplane. There are probably very few, if any airplane from the war on any side that made it through without having something replaced. Combat has a tendency to be a little hard on the equipment.


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    Yeah, better the equipment gets it tough and lose bits here and there than losing people.
    "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

    To those in that club.

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    Agreed, you can always make new parts. The B-17s may have had to be scrapped after making it back, but the crews could get another plane to fly more missions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evangilder
    You may want to check out the story of the "All American". It was involved in a mid-air collision with an FW-190 that almost cut the B-17 in 2. She made it home and the airframe collapsed soon after landing. I wouldn't call it a normal occurrence, but it was amazing!
    Question - what happened to the Tail Guner in all of this?

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