Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II - Page 11 - Aircraft of World War II

Concorde247 · 03-17-2005, 08:51 PM

It has to be the Mossie as the best allrounder. - an aircraft that used non-strategic materials & could eventually carry an equivalent bombload to a B17!
Didnt the Japanese call the Beaufighter the whispering death?

mosquitoman · 03-17-2005, 09:35 PM

Another mosquito admirer, finally!
A Mossie could carry a B-17s long range load on a short range mission but this would include a cookie and the Beau did get called Whispering Death because it's sleeve-valve engines were so quiet. The Corsair got called screaming death I think

Nonskimmer · 03-17-2005, 09:38 PM

The Corsair was dubbed "whistling death" by Japanese ground troops.

mosquitoman · 03-17-2005, 09:40 PM

I knew it was something like that

Concorde247 · 03-17-2005, 11:58 PM

wonder what tune it whistled!!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-18-2005, 12:36 PM

The mossie is a great all around aircraft that can be used in many different ways, but if you want to go for the complete aircraft, the Ju-88. Yeah it may not have been the best in performance but you know what it could be used literally for anything and everything. And just to bring this up the P-38 could be used in every way the Mossie could and it could outfly the mossie!

cheddar cheese · 03-18-2005, 12:37 PM

Yep! EVEN transport, as stupid as it sounds!

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-18-2005, 02:10 PM

we've gon through this, the P-38 couldn't do all the roles of the mossie...........

cheddar cheese · 03-18-2005, 05:41 PM

Pretty sure it could.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-18-2005, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

we've gon through this, the P-38 couldn't do all the roles of the mossie...........

Yeah it could, the only thing you could come up with that the mossie could do that the Lightning couldn't was use a turret. Okay and what does that really do, having a turret is not a role! You have to prove to me that the mossie could do more than the P-38, you haven't done it yet.

Concorde247 · 03-18-2005, 07:58 PM

Wer'e back to the highball missions again (the Small bouncing bomb for anti shipping).

I dont think that the P38 could have carried and used one of those!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-18-2005, 08:53 PM

Where can you find that says the P-38 could not be modified to carry one. If it could carry 2 torpedos, bombs, radar and even passengers I am sure it could carry one of those too.

Concorde247 · 03-19-2005, 03:29 AM

I'm not talking about it as a weight issue, the P-38 could certainly handle that, I'm thinking more along the lines of a carrying and method of release. They would have to be pretty close to the centreline or "pilots pod" as i call it. and closer to the C of G. to be able to carry two of these bombs, and provide the backspin before release. If Theyre put further out along towards the wings the more the vibration when the backspin starts. and bear in mind that the mossie carried TWO of them. Below is a brief description of the bomb itself. that i found on the internet.

Highball 'Bouncing Bomb'
This spherical bomb was designed by the brilliant Dr. Barnes Wallis to be utilized against ships. Weighing 1,280 lb (580kg) and packed with 600 lb (272 kg) of explosive two Highballs could be carried by a Mosquito fighter-bomber. Prior to release the bomb was imparted with a backward spin of 700-900 revolutions per minute. Dropped at high speed 360 mph (580km/h) and low altitude 60 ft (18.2m) the Highball would skip across the water toward the target.
Although intended to be used against the battleship Tirpitz this did not come to pass mainly because the ship stayed in ports beyond the range of Mosquitos based in Britain. Focus shifted to possible use in the Far East and a number of Mosquitos were modified for use on escort/jeep carriers. Despite considerable training the weapon was not used in combat.

wmaxt · 03-19-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Concorde247

I'm not talking about it as a weight issue, the P-38 could certainly handle that, I'm thinking more along the lines of a carrying and method of release. They would have to be pretty close to the centreline or "pilots pod" as i call it. and closer to the C of G. to be able to carry two of these bombs, and provide the backspin before release. If Theyre put further out along towards the wings the more the vibration when the backspin starts. and bear in mind that the mossie carried TWO of them. Below is a brief description of the bomb itself. that i found on the internet.

Highball 'Bouncing Bomb'
This spherical bomb was designed by the brilliant Dr. Barnes Wallis to be utilized against ships. Weighing 1,280 lb (580kg) and packed with 600 lb (272 kg) of explosive two Highballs could be carried by a Mosquito fighter-bomber. Prior to release the bomb was imparted with a backward spin of 700-900 revolutions per minute. Dropped at high speed 360 mph (580km/h) and low altitude 60 ft (18.2m) the Highball would skip across the water toward the target.
Although intended to be used against the battleship Tirpitz this did not come to pass mainly because the ship stayed in ports beyond the range of Mosquitos based in Britain. Focus shifted to possible use in the Far East and a number of Mosquitos were modified for use on escort/jeep carriers. Despite considerable training the weapon was not used in combat.

The P-38 carried it's main payload between the gondola and the booms and when neccessary was able to carry off balance loads that way. Also it was able to carry 1 drop tank and 1 bomb to extend range. It was quite capable of carring anything a Mossie could.

cheddar cheese · 03-19-2005, 04:56 PM

Ah, I wasnt aware the P-38 could carry off balance loads, this changes matters

03-17-2005, 08:51 PM	#151
Concorde247 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LONDON Posts: 519	It has to be the Mossie as the best allrounder. - an aircraft that used non-strategic materials & could eventually carry an equivalent bombload to a B17! Didnt the Japanese call the Beaufighter the whispering death? __________________

03-17-2005, 09:35 PM	#152
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Another mosquito admirer, finally! A Mossie could carry a B-17s long range load on a short range mission but this would include a cookie and the Beau did get called Whispering Death because it's sleeve-valve engines were so quiet. The Corsair got called screaming death I think __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

03-17-2005, 09:40 PM	#154
mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	I knew it was something like that __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

03-17-2005, 11:58 PM	#155
Concorde247 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LONDON Posts: 519	wonder what tune it whistled!! __________________

03-18-2005, 12:36 PM	#156
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	The mossie is a great all around aircraft that can be used in many different ways, but if you want to go for the complete aircraft, the Ju-88. Yeah it may not have been the best in performance but you know what it could be used literally for anything and everything. And just to bring this up the P-38 could be used in every way the Mossie could and it could outfly the mossie! __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

03-17-2005, 09:38 PM	#153
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	The Corsair was dubbed "whistling death" by Japanese ground troops.

03-18-2005, 12:37 PM	#157
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Yep! EVEN transport, as stupid as it sounds!

03-18-2005, 02:10 PM	#158
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	we've gon through this, the P-38 couldn't do all the roles of the mossie........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-18-2005, 05:41 PM	#159
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Pretty sure it could.

03-18-2005, 07:58 PM	#161
Concorde247 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LONDON Posts: 519	Wer'e back to the highball missions again (the Small bouncing bomb for anti shipping). I dont think that the P38 could have carried and used one of those! __________________

03-18-2005, 08:53 PM	#162
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	Where can you find that says the P-38 could not be modified to carry one. If it could carry 2 torpedos, bombs, radar and even passengers I am sure it could carry one of those too. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

03-19-2005, 03:29 AM	#163
Concorde247 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LONDON Posts: 519	I'm not talking about it as a weight issue, the P-38 could certainly handle that, I'm thinking more along the lines of a carrying and method of release. They would have to be pretty close to the centreline or "pilots pod" as i call it. and closer to the C of G. to be able to carry two of these bombs, and provide the backspin before release. If Theyre put further out along towards the wings the more the vibration when the backspin starts. and bear in mind that the mossie carried TWO of them. Below is a brief description of the bomb itself. that i found on the internet. Highball 'Bouncing Bomb' This spherical bomb was designed by the brilliant Dr. Barnes Wallis to be utilized against ships. Weighing 1,280 lb (580kg) and packed with 600 lb (272 kg) of explosive two Highballs could be carried by a Mosquito fighter-bomber. Prior to release the bomb was imparted with a backward spin of 700-900 revolutions per minute. Dropped at high speed 360 mph (580km/h) and low altitude 60 ft (18.2m) the Highball would skip across the water toward the target. Although intended to be used against the battleship Tirpitz this did not come to pass mainly because the ship stayed in ports beyond the range of Mosquitos based in Britain. Focus shifted to possible use in the Far East and a number of Mosquitos were modified for use on escort/jeep carriers. Despite considerable training the weapon was not used in combat. __________________

03-19-2005, 04:56 PM	#165
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Ah, I wasnt aware the P-38 could carry off balance loads, this changes matters

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