Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums

Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II

Aviation Discuss Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II in the World War II - Aviation forums; Compromise, the Mosquito was a bomber trying to be a fighter and the P-38 was a fighter trying to ...


Go Back   Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums > World War II - Aviation > Aviation

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-26-2005, 01:49 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
mosquitoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield
Posts: 3,001
Country:
Send a message via MSN to mosquitoman
Compromise, the Mosquito was a bomber trying to be a fighter and the P-38 was a fighter trying to be a bomber
__________________

When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life
mosquitoman is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2005, 03:07 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,512
Well, Lanc has done a lot of duplicating on his list.
For example he lists day fighter and high altitude fighter. Certainly the P-38 was both of these as well.
I fail to see the true distinction between a day/night fighter-bomber and a day/night intruder.
Nor is there any true distinction between a PR plane and a high altitude PR plane.

Most of the items on his Mossies list the P-38 did do. But he is right that the P-38 couldn't carry the cookie. But the a Mossie couldn't carry two torps.
__________________
Lightning Guy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2005, 03:18 PM   #18
Konfused with a 'K'
 
cheddar cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Turin, Italy
Posts: 20,412
Country:
Send a message via AIM to cheddar cheese Send a message via MSN to cheddar cheese
lanc, the term bomber is far broader than fighter. The Mossie was a light bomber, so it isnt really all that amazing that it acted well as a night fighter. Remember, the Ju-88 started off in a similar manner. You cant say that it was the allies best NF, most proven is a more suitable term. P-38M's scored well during the small time they saw service and would probably have been damn good competition for the mossie.

Quote:
and this is a list of some of the roles the mossie opperated in, let alone the mods..........
Yes, more roles doesnt make it better. Was the Ju-88 better than the Mossie or P-38? No, it wasnt. Besides, half that stuff is a bit specific. Anti-Tirpitzing? Thats just some **** you made up. wmaxt has also left a couple of things off his list which Ill have to rectify later. You say it was a day fighter, but several times I have asked for evidence of this and I have not been given any, so I do not believe this until I am proven otherwise.

mosquitoman, your statement is incorrect, as the P-38 wasnt a fighter a trying to be a bomber, it was a fighter that was also used as a bomber. The mossie was a bomber used that was also used as a night fighter.
__________________

with my one last gaping breath id apologise for bleeding on your shirt...
cheddar cheese is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2005, 04:13 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 584
LG put up a list of different nations best bombers....which I think was really good, as we've hashed this all out before....

I felt the best Japanese was a Ki. ''Dinah''...

I always vote Mosquito, but if we're going to get into what the P-38M Fighter did in the last stages of the War, then we should include the DH Hornet, which was the ' Fighter' version of the Mosquito, as it was essentially similar to the Mosquito, just smaller being a single-seater and with just 4x 20mm's...They were flying and gearing-up for Squadron strength when the ETO War finished.....A comparative study between that and a P-38M would be a read........
Attached Images
File Type: jpg hornet_prototype.jpg (27.5 KB, 2396 views)
Gemhorse is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2005, 09:07 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,512
You are refering to the Ki-46 Dinah. I don't think it was as versatile as the P1Y. The Dinah was a fine recon aircraft. But the only other role they really tried it as was as an interceptor and it did not was not very effective as its climb rate was unimpressive.
__________________
Lightning Guy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 12:27 PM   #21
Master of Ewes
 
the lancaster kicks ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:
Send a message via MSN to the lancaster kicks ass
ok but almost any fighter could carry bombs, that's nothing specail, how many bomber could dogfight??

the P-38 could carry two torps, with no guns, the mossie could carry a torp, 1,000lbs of bombs internally and guns, i'd give that to the mossie.........
__________________

"Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."
the lancaster kicks ass is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 12:44 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,512
Wrong Lanc. The test conducted with the P-38 was with two torpedoes and a full ammo load.

And the Mossie was hardly a dogfighter.
__________________
Lightning Guy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 02:20 PM   #23
Konfused with a 'K'
 
cheddar cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Turin, Italy
Posts: 20,412
Country:
Send a message via AIM to cheddar cheese Send a message via MSN to cheddar cheese
Quote:
ok but almost any fighter could carry bombs, that's nothing specail, how many bomber could dogfight??
Well, lets put 'dogfight' in inverted commas. The Ju-88 could.

Ok, almost any fighter can carry bombs, buit name me another fighter that can carry 5,200lbs of bombs?
__________________

with my one last gaping breath id apologise for bleeding on your shirt...
cheddar cheese is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 02:45 PM   #24
Master of Ewes
 
the lancaster kicks ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:
Send a message via MSN to the lancaster kicks ass
it's not the fighter part that's significant, the P-38 was a twin engined aircraft, 5,200lbs is not specail for a twin engined plane.............
__________________

"Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."
the lancaster kicks ass is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 02:51 PM   #25
Konfused with a 'K'
 
cheddar cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Turin, Italy
Posts: 20,412
Country:
Send a message via AIM to cheddar cheese Send a message via MSN to cheddar cheese
Its more than many American twin-engined bombers could carry...
__________________

with my one last gaping breath id apologise for bleeding on your shirt...
cheddar cheese is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 03:13 PM   #26
Master of Ewes
 
the lancaster kicks ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:
Send a message via MSN to the lancaster kicks ass
no, the P-38's max of 5,200lbs is more than the normall load carried by the mediums, the mediums were capable of much more than the 4,000lbs some of them normally carried...........
__________________

"Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."
the lancaster kicks ass is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 04:32 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
Adolf Galland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 105
Send a message via AIM to Adolf Galland
Quote:
Ok, almost any fighter can carry bombs, buit name me another fighter that can carry 5,200lbs of bombs?
p-61 widow, its unusal for it 2 carrie bombs but it can carrie more than 7000 if it needs
Adolf Galland is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 04:58 PM   #28
"Shooter"
 
evangilder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Moorpark, CA
Posts: 12,544
Country:
Send a message via Yahoo to evangilder
Where did you get the number for the bomb load on the P-61? What I have seen shows the max bomb load of 6,400 lbs.
__________________


http://www.vg-photo.com

Wherever their bones may lie, the courage of heroes is consecrated in the hearts and engraved in the history of the free. Lt Col Honner DSO MC, 39th Commander speaking of the dead from the battle of Kokoda.
evangilder is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2005, 05:00 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,512
I'm with evan, the highest I've seen for a P-61 is 6,400lbs made up of 4 1,600lb bombs.
__________________
Lightning Guy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2005, 10:50 AM   #30
Konfused with a 'K'
 
cheddar cheese's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Turin, Italy
Posts: 20,412
Country:
Send a message via AIM to cheddar cheese Send a message via MSN to cheddar cheese
Quote:
Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass
no, the P-38's max of 5,200lbs is more than the normall load carried by the mediums, the mediums were capable of much more than the 4,000lbs some of them normally carried...........
Ive seen the normal load for the B-25 as being 3,500lbs...
__________________

with my one last gaping breath id apologise for bleeding on your shirt...
cheddar cheese is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Italy v. England - Air to air DAVIDICUS Aviation 164 11-29-2007 01:58 PM
Carriers!! MP-Willow WW2 General 275 01-28-2007 06:25 PM
RAF Bomber Command Diary... Jan 1945...... lesofprimus Aviation 54 01-28-2007 12:29 PM
French fighter aircrft carpenoctem1689 Aviation 31 11-25-2005 05:27 PM
The Misadventures of Ivan Kozhedub's Famous "White 27&q lesofprimus Stories 4 12-14-2004 11:14 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0
   

AVIATION TOP 100 - www.avitop.com Avitop.com


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54