Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Sweb

All of Tank's designs were superb machines but hardly could any one of them load-out what the Jug could.

You sure about that. Wager to prove it?

[Valo300]

Wow, you guys have an interesting view on 'moderation' here on this forum. I guess you guys don't drink from the 'mods are neutral and impassive' cup eh? (please note smiley face, this post is offered in good nature.)

[Amsel]

Luckily so because the mods seem to have an abundance of accurate information.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Valo300

Wow, you guys have an interesting view on 'moderation' here on this forum. I guess you guys don't drink from the 'mods are neutral and impassive' cup eh? (please note smiley face, this post is offered in good nature.)

What is wrong with how I moderated? At the moment, I was not even moderating, I was carrying on a conversation.

Why do I carry on conversations? Because I enjoy WW2 aviation as well. I try to carry on discussion in a non biased manner that includes facts about the aircraft, and not what country it came from.

If and when a situation needs moderating, then I moderate...

[Valo300]

No worries. If i don't like it i can certainly leave can't i? (again note smiley face- good natured post)

[Venganza]

They seem like obvious choices, but that's because they were the most versatile - Mosquito and Ju-88.

[imalko]

Originally Posted by Venganza

They seem like obvious choices, but that's because they were the most versatile - Mosquito and Ju-88.

That they were.

[cuccos19]

Originally Posted by Lightning Guy

The Mossie wasn't a dayfigther and if you consider the P-38 out-matched against 109s and 190s (which it wasn't) the Mossie was certainly worse off. A careful study of the history of the P-38 in Europe reveals that the P-38 gave considerably better than in took against the 190 and 109. The trouble in producing an exact kill ration is that the cause of many P-38 losses were never determined. Still, it probably shot down 2-3 109s and 190s for each P-38 lost in air-combat. Certainly not a bad record considering poor training, poor tactics, and poor British fuels. The Mossie certainly wouldn't have faired any better.

My vote goes to the P-38, but I decided to put together a list of possible "contenders."

US: P-38 Lightning
British: Mosquito
German: Ju-88
Japanese: P1Y Ginga "Frances"

I'm not sure if any of the other countries had anything to compare with these. Any suggestions to this list?

Yes, sure! Unfortunatelly I can't arguee with the training and tactics because I don't know much about it. But the fuel problem is known for me, too. What an idiotic thing that in the outlandish North African desert and Pacific islands had a good logistics management - for the fuel now - and there are just "weak" juice in England? What a pity thing is that... Ruin anyway such an excellent bird!

[Soren]

P-38's shooting down more than they lost ? Yeah sure, what's next, the toothfairy ?

Fact of the matter is that the P-38 was in general considered an easy meal by German fighter pilots. (And forget about Steinhoff, a favorite of P38 fans, his words have been twisted beyond reason)

[Soren]

Anyway, again the Fw190 & F4U Corsair are my choices.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Soren

Fact of the matter is that the P-38 was in general considered an easy meal by German fighter pilots.

Soren, I do not think that any of the top fighters (i.e. P-51, P-47, Spitfire, P-38, etc) were considered "easy meal" by the German pilots.

If it is a fact of the matter, please back it up with sources (p.s. one pilot saying that the P-38 was easy to shoot down does not make it a fact...)

[Soren]

I have done this many times by now Adler, it rally shouldn't be necessary:

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Soren

I have done this many times by now Adler, it rally shouldn't be necessary:

Soren, no where in there does it say that it was easy to shoot down a P-38. It says they would prefer to fight a P-38 over other aircraft, but not that it was easy.

WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS MANY TIMES NOW SOREN, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY!

Again my point being, none of the modern aircraft were "easy" to shoot down!

[Soren]

Adolf Galland:
"P-38s were not difficult to handle in combat. Many, many P-38 pilots are angry with me about this statement, but it's true."

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Soren

Adolf Galland:
"P-38s were not difficult to handle in combat. Many, many P-38 pilots are angry with me about this statement, but it's true."

That is the opinion of one pilot. Opinion by one person, does not make it fact. Is that hard to understand?