 | The Best Bf - 109 Variant ?| Aviation Discuss The Best Bf - 109 Variant ? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Erich
Methanol injection was standard on the G-6/AS and the G-10 which they flew ... |
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01-30-2005, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Erich Methanol injection was standard on the G-6/AS and the G-10 which they flew but it was a couple of other items of interest......think lightness and ? | Bigger engine?
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01-30-2005, 11:28 AM
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#137 | | the old Sage
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01-30-2005, 11:28 AM
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#138 | | the old Sage
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Country: | armor is correct, but the mg's stayed along with the noe mounted cannon.
what else.....I covered this some months ago | |
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01-30-2005, 11:30 AM
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01-30-2005, 11:34 AM
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#140 | | the old Sage
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Country: | nope, think engine and ? the engine was the AS with 2-3 stage turbocharger and MW 50 water injection which gave it a short 10/15 minute burst of speed, any longer than that then you have engine seizure as I mentioned. there are 2 different applications though that remain, and you guys are getting close though.....one was to the engine and the other to the fuselage outside. you may laugh once you find out but it did increase overall all speed by a large margain | |
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01-30-2005, 11:38 AM
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01-30-2005, 11:42 AM
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#142 | | Master of Ewes
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01-30-2005, 11:47 AM
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| Polishing and waxing did wunders for the speed.  Having no dings also helped.
The only other thing I can think of is increasing the boost to 1.98 but afaik this was not officially approved til 1945.
Was not the supercharger variable speed Erich? Did they tweek it like done to some automatic trannies today? | |
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01-30-2005, 11:49 AM
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#144 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Yeah I do not know what they might have done. But I agree with Erich I would go with a Me-109G varient. The G was excellent. The K yes had the best performance but it lagged in maneaverability.
Even though dont take me wrong I am not doubting you Erich, it is just new to me, and I am sure as soon as you tell us it will make sense to me. But the fastest I have heard of a Me-109G was 410 and the average is this right here:
Type: Single-seat fighter
Werk #: 10639
Origin: Bayerische Flegzeugwerke, renamed Messerschmitt AG 1938
Engine:
Type: Daimler-Benz DB 605 A-1 liquid-cooled, inverted V12
Horsepower At Take-Off: 1,475 hp
Horsepower At 18,700 Ft.: 1,355 hp
Horsepower With GM1 At 27,890 Ft.: 1,250 hp
Fuel:
Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Wing span: 32 ft 6.5 in.
Length: 29 ft 0.5 in.
Height: 8 ft 2.5 in.
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Weights:
Empty, Equipped: 4,968 lbs.
Normal, Loaded: 6,834 lbs.
Maximum, Overloaded: 7,055 lbs.
Performance: At 6,834 lbs.
Maximum Speed:
317 mph at sea level
331 mph at 3,280 ft.
350 mph at 6,560 ft.
365 mph at 9,840 ft.
369 mph at 16,400 ft.
398 mph at 20,670 ft.
383 mph at 26,250 ft.
406 mph at 28,540 ft. (With GM1)
Range:
Internal Fuel Only
340 mls at 322 mph
With 66 Imp Gallon (300 Liter) Drop Tank
528 mls at 322 mph
Initial climb: N/A
Time to 9,840 ft (3,000m): N/A
Time to 18,700 ft (5,700m): N/A
Service Ceiling: 39,370 Ft.
Armament:
One 20mm Mg 151/20 engine mounted cannon with 150 rounds
And
Two 7.9mm MG17 fuselage mounted machine guns with 500 rpg.
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01-30-2005, 11:53 AM
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#145 | | the old Sage
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yes besides removing the armor from the craft including the head armor, the AS engines had a two stage, some say 3, supercharger which could be "tweaked". what is interesting is the idea of thinning the oil for higher altitude flights, this was done esepcially to one experimental "Weiße 8" Bf 109G-6/AS proving to be the fastest a/c of the over sized staffel. Painted all light blue RLM 76, the body of the aircraft was completely polished over, whashed then waxed with spray on polish daily; the "black men worked" while the pilots slept till dusk or later when they went to the air. In this particualr case the blue a/c had all rivets and lines filled in-puttied over and the a/c had a high gloss finish.......it was a hot rod. a source which is hard to read states on one of it's many missions the a/c hit almost 500 mph | |
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01-30-2005, 11:55 AM
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01-30-2005, 11:56 AM
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01-30-2005, 12:11 PM
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| Erich, how did they fit the extra tubine wheels for the extra stages? | |
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01-30-2005, 12:40 PM
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#149 | | Der Crewchief
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Anyhow well everyone this is the last time I will be posting for a while, I am losting my interenet tomorrow and believe me this is a good thing. I will see you again when I get home!
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01-30-2005, 01:32 PM
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#150 | | the old Sage
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take care............
KK not real sure but think it was a 2-stage supercharger installed in the AS engines, had increased cooler capacity. Engines are not my thing unfortunately
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