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Old 10-20-2004, 02:22 PM   #31
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i'm still going for the -262......................
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Old 10-20-2004, 04:01 PM   #32
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Yeah me too, for the Germans to utilise such a great piece of engineering like that in the time they had and under the pressure they had was pretty great.
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Old 10-20-2004, 04:17 PM   #33
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While I will agree that the aircraft you mentioned, Les, was definitely a terror on the bombers, I have also heard it said that if the -262 was out earlier, it would have made it alot tougher on the bomber crews. It would probably not have changed the outcome, but could very well have prolonged it.
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Old 10-20-2004, 04:39 PM   #34
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Yup I feel the same.
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Old 10-20-2004, 05:02 PM   #35
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what about the germen redio guided anti bomber missle ?
the japanis proberly had a maned version,
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Old 10-20-2004, 05:13 PM   #36
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Yes, they were called Kamikazees...
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Old 10-20-2004, 05:16 PM   #37
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:lol : Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
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Old 10-20-2004, 08:35 PM   #38
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Maybe they packed explosives in them
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Old 10-20-2004, 08:46 PM   #39
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To keep their hair from getting in their eyes????

Sorry to disagree with u guys, but the -262 was not a better bomber killer than the Fw-190.... It had less firepower, less armored protection, and alot less time on station... I dont reall ever reading about bomber crews being scared of the -262 on attack...

Not to say that it wasnt a devastating attack... 4x 30mm will put the fear of god in ya no doubt....
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Old 10-20-2004, 10:27 PM   #40
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Yes, but with 4 x 30mm cannons, it doesn't take but a good burst to do some serious damage. I am sure you have seen what a 30mm does to metal, and bodies. BIG holes and pink mist.
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near the end of the war the germens had a radio controled rocket. thet they would luanch from bombers.
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You guys are thinking rockets and jets...umm...sounds like a F16. Truth of the matter is that the FW190 was the bomber killer of the skies during wwii. The 262 was never produced in enough numbers or early enough to make a difference, also it's engines could not withstand the kind of abuse the a B17 crew would give them...50 cals hurt turbines pretty bad. The FW190 could knock a bomber out of the sky and even if it took hits while doing so, it would simply laugh and fly away.

If you want rockets and jets, then try an ME163 it was a rocket powered bomber killer, but it didn't work very well.
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Old 10-21-2004, 09:25 AM   #43
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Evan, while it is true that 4 x 30mm will ruin ur day or anyone elses, the concentrated firepower of the 190-A8/R2 was more destructive....

2 x 13mm, 2 x 20mm, 2 x 30mm would cause more damage in a quicker amount of time than 4 x 30mm....

Either way, bomber crews had a rough time of it up there....

But the Fw-190A8/R2 was definatly a better platform for knocking down bombers.... Id rather be surrounded by armor plating and be slower than fast and easy to shoot down....
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Good point Les. Either one would cause some substantial damage. Quick, short bursts do damage when using hit and run tactics. But I do see your point. Different methods of doing the same job. Either one head on could take out the cockpit and nose crew, which would effectively result in the loss of the bomber. Kind of hard to say which was "better" than the other as they were both effective.

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Old 10-21-2004, 07:15 PM   #45
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Ty very much.... One of the best actual combat pics i have ever seen....
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