 | Best Bomber Killing Aircraft......| Aviation Discuss Best Bomber Killing Aircraft...... in the World War II - Aviation forums; I think we are shifting from 'best bomer destryer' to 'dogfighter'
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12-08-2006, 10:26 AM
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#691 | | Senior Member
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| I think we are shifting from 'best bomer destryer' to 'dogfighter'
The Dora (at least the D9, the only who saw service in some number) was not primarily designed to tackle bomber, his armament was too light.
Also it depends 'which' bomber: for a medium twin engine (HE111, Ju88, Mosquito, B25 etc.) the armament of Dora, Spit, P51 was good enough, for heavies the only candidates for me are the 190A standard (proven), 190A-U2/U8 (proven but maybe too specialized) the 262 (proven), the Mossie and the Typhoon/Tempest (potential).
This are the only ones who have some reasonable chance to down a heavy with one pass, all the other fighters were too lightly armed
In my opinion the 4x20 model of the Hurri was too slow and obsolete to be effective in tackling a 4 engine at 25000 ft, same for the Bf110.
Of course night fighters are another chapter.
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12-08-2006, 10:46 AM
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#692 | | the old Sage
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Fw 190A-5/U12
Fw 190A-7/MK
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12-09-2006, 10:32 AM
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#693 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I have to agree with Erich. The 190 was built for the purpose of bringing those heavy bombers down there were flying over Germany. Her armament was purpose built for that.
190 all the way when it comes to bomber killer. The other aircraft especially allied ones were built with armament more suited for tackling the 190s and the 109s to protect those bombers.
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12-09-2006, 10:40 AM
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Country: | Erich - exactly how many models and variations of Fw 190 are there? | |
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12-09-2006, 11:47 AM
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#695 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Here is what I got on that. I could be wrong with some of these models though and Erich can clarify any of the mistakes that I have.
Fw-190V-1 through Fw-190V-54 which I will not count as varients.
So I believe there were 25 different varients of the Fw-190.
Fw-190A-0, A-1, A-2, A-3, A-4, A-5, A-6, A-7, A-8.
Fw-190B of which only 6 were built.
Fw-190C of which only 9 were built.
Fw-190D-0 which actually was a A-7 converted to the D standard and only 10 were converted.
Fw-190D-9
Fw-190D-12
FW-190F-1, F-2, F-3, F-8, F-9
Fw-190G-0, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, G-8
Then ofcourse there were the Umrüst-Bausätze (factory conversion sets) and Rustzaetze (field conversion sets) which came to a total of 70 different sets.
There also were Fw-190Aa-3 which built only for Turkey and similar to the Fw-190A-3 of which 72 were delivered to Turkey. The a after the A stood for auslaendish (foreign).
The French also produced the Fw-190A-8 after the war for the French Airforce and called it the Focke-Wulf NC.900 and built 64 of them.
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12-09-2006, 02:01 PM
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#696 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | wow never knew the French made some, are there any pictures of them?
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12-09-2006, 02:18 PM
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| Adler, I thing there was also the 190A-9
Some sources say it was just a few prototype, others report about 800 built (I am going by memory here, but the dimension is that)
Maybe Erich can sort this out... 
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12-09-2006, 09:59 PM
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#698 | | the old Sage
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Country: | A-9 was the last A model to do ops, my cousin flew an A-9 in November of 1944 in 5./JG 301. Portions of JG 300 and 301 flew the craft till wars end, JG 1 had them and so did JG 3, JG 4, JG 6
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12-10-2006, 01:12 AM
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Country: | imho an ultimate bomber killers are T-34 and M4A.
soviets did not bombed bomber factories, allies did not done it properly.
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12-10-2006, 08:04 AM
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Country: | Thats one of the dumbest things Ive ever read here, with some of the worst grammer to boot...
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12-10-2006, 09:17 AM
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#701 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i realise it's not a grammatical mistake but grammar's spelt with an a not an e, but you're right in saying he's a grade A dong..........
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12-10-2006, 01:24 PM
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#702 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I still dont understand what he is trying to say with that though...
Lanc I have a few pics of the French Built NC.900 but for somereason when I try and upload them it tells me that it is an invalid file. I will try and post them but I am sure someone else has some and will post them first.
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12-10-2006, 01:56 PM
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#703 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I do wonder if exec's primarily language is English ? correct, his post does not makes sense as he is talking of Tanks not a/c
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12-10-2006, 02:12 PM
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#704 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | haha, maybe there's an anti-french filter to protect us 
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12-10-2006, 03:06 PM
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#705 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Got me on this one. Tanks intercepting bombers....
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