Best Bomber Killing Aircraft...... - Page 6 - Aircraft of World War II

cheddar cheese · 10-26-2004, 10:43 AM

Thats a bit wasteful though, using your life and one plane to knock down what would only probably be one bomber...

NightHawk · 10-26-2004, 11:11 AM

so eject 1 sec befor you smash.

cheddar cheese · 10-26-2004, 01:05 PM

But then you aint a kamikaze pilot

And its still a waste of a plane.

And do you know how tricky it was to eject back then? You dont just push a button, You gotta fling the canopy back and undo your straps (Did they even wear straps of any kind back then), and then climb out. All of which take at least 10 seconds, and if you were flying the He-162 or the manned version of the V1, you werent shaping to well...

The plane would go off course too.

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-26-2004, 02:40 PM

Quote:

it was bad in most all bombers

sorry, meant to say "almost all" bombers...................

Erich · 10-26-2004, 03:26 PM

yes straps were used to keep the fighter pilot in his seat while doing maneuvers.

there was no different recoil in the heavy SturmFw as there was in the regular four 2cm mounted A-8 variant. The 262 was problem at night with the 3cm because of the blinding flash and the closeness with which the jet had to be to a RAF a/c to knock it down. In the case of Dr. boiten who I know he only included just scant information on Becker as Becker on at least two occassions only used two 3cm weapons and yeas they could be fired as either two or four weapons. Becker will be covered in our book in-depth as we have a copy of his log-books.

The Bf 110G-2 with all it's funny heavy arms experiments were no match for the Allied escorts, neither was the 50mm equipped Me 410 A and B variants. Even the Me 262 had an experiment with a 50mm piece and on both missions the cannon failed by jamming. the unit was part of the JV 44 fighter group under Adolf Galland and flown by a German night fighter ace who transferred into the unit. Even with the jets speed the big gun slowed the a/c down and it was very hard to aim the heavy piece as it threw off the aerodynamics of the jet.

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Erich · 10-26-2004, 03:28 PM

by the way it was quite common for US heavy bomber crews to abandon ship through the bomb-bay

cheddar cheese · 10-26-2004, 04:04 PM

That would look pretty funny, i can just imagine a plak and white piece of film footage of a B-17 with a load of men dropping out the bomb bay in quick succession

NightHawk · 10-26-2004, 05:01 PM

now theres a real smart bomb.

cheddar cheese · 10-26-2004, 05:16 PM

Not really, as men tend not to explode terribly well.

Erich · 10-26-2004, 05:51 PM

not so funny if you would have been in their position

there were also belly hatches as well as a side fuselage hatch

NightHawk · 10-27-2004, 12:21 PM

you can allways starp your self to a bomb.

cheddar cheese · 10-27-2004, 12:31 PM

What good is that?

NightHawk · 10-27-2004, 01:06 PM

you can make your self a smart bomb.

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-27-2004, 02:05 PM

but you have to ask, how smart is someone that straps themselfs to a bomb to make it a smart bomb??

Lightning Guy · 10-27-2004, 02:10 PM

The bomb bay was a common method of exit for those on the flight deck (pilot, co-pilot, flight-engineer) and anyone in the radio room immediately behind the bomb bay. I've seen some footage of this being done. It might look silly, but it was the quickest way out for those individuals in a situation where time was of the essence.

10-26-2004, 03:26 PM	#80
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	yes straps were used to keep the fighter pilot in his seat while doing maneuvers. there was no different recoil in the heavy SturmFw as there was in the regular four 2cm mounted A-8 variant. The 262 was problem at night with the 3cm because of the blinding flash and the closeness with which the jet had to be to a RAF a/c to knock it down. In the case of Dr. boiten who I know he only included just scant information on Becker as Becker on at least two occassions only used two 3cm weapons and yeas they could be fired as either two or four weapons. Becker will be covered in our book in-depth as we have a copy of his log-books. The Bf 110G-2 with all it's funny heavy arms experiments were no match for the Allied escorts, neither was the 50mm equipped Me 410 A and B variants. Even the Me 262 had an experiment with a 50mm piece and on both missions the cannon failed by jamming. the unit was part of the JV 44 fighter group under Adolf Galland and flown by a German night fighter ace who transferred into the unit. Even with the jets speed the big gun slowed the a/c down and it was very hard to aim the heavy piece as it threw off the aerodynamics of the jet. E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

10-26-2004, 03:28 PM	#81
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	by the way it was quite common for US heavy bomber crews to abandon ship through the bomb-bay __________________ Rip it up !

10-26-2004, 05:51 PM	#85
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,770	not so funny if you would have been in their position there were also belly hatches as well as a side fuselage hatch __________________ Rip it up !

10-27-2004, 02:05 PM	#89
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	but you have to ask, how smart is someone that straps themselfs to a bomb to make it a smart bomb?? __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

10-27-2004, 02:10 PM	#90
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	The bomb bay was a common method of exit for those on the flight deck (pilot, co-pilot, flight-engineer) and anyone in the radio room immediately behind the bomb bay. I've seen some footage of this being done. It might look silly, but it was the quickest way out for those individuals in a situation where time was of the essence. __________________

10-26-2004, 10:43 AM	#76
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Thats a bit wasteful though, using your life and one plane to knock down what would only probably be one bomber...

10-26-2004, 11:11 AM	#77
NightHawk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gaza Strip Posts: 326	so eject 1 sec befor you smash.

10-26-2004, 01:05 PM	#78
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	But then you aint a kamikaze pilot And its still a waste of a plane. And do you know how tricky it was to eject back then? You dont just push a button, You gotta fling the canopy back and undo your straps (Did they even wear straps of any kind back then), and then climb out. All of which take at least 10 seconds, and if you were flying the He-162 or the manned version of the V1, you werent shaping to well... The plane would go off course too.

10-26-2004, 04:04 PM	#82
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	That would look pretty funny, i can just imagine a plak and white piece of film footage of a B-17 with a load of men dropping out the bomb bay in quick succession

10-26-2004, 05:01 PM	#83
NightHawk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gaza Strip Posts: 326	now theres a real smart bomb.

10-26-2004, 05:16 PM	#84
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Not really, as men tend not to explode terribly well.

10-27-2004, 12:21 PM	#86
NightHawk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gaza Strip Posts: 326	you can allways starp your self to a bomb.

10-27-2004, 12:31 PM	#87
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	What good is that?

10-27-2004, 01:06 PM	#88
NightHawk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Gaza Strip Posts: 326	you can make your self a smart bomb.

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