Best Bomber Killing Aircraft...... - Page 61 - Aircraft of World War II

AL Schlageter · 10-13-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylg

I would have to say the fw 190, but as a night-fighter the HE 219 seem to remember reading about one of those shooting down 5 Lancasters in a single sortie.

The LW claims list does not support your statement.

12.06.43 Maj. Werner Streib Stab I./NJG 1 Halifax £ 14 km. S.E. Roermond: at 4.700 m. 01.05 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.71

12.06.43 Maj. Wern er Streib I./NJG 1 Halifax £ 2 km. S.W. Rheinberg: 5.800 m. 01.20 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.72

12.06.43 Maj. Werner Streib Stab I./NJG 1 Halifax £ 3 km. N. Mook: no height 01.55 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.73

12.06.43 Maj. Werner Streib Stab I./NJG 1 Lancaster £ 05 Ost S/KN -2.6: no height [Goch] 02.16 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.74

12.06.43 Maj. Werner Streib I./NJG 1 Halifax £ 05 Ost S/KM-6.3: at 5.900 m. [Gennep] 02.22 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.104

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-14-2007, 06:07 PM

Those 5 kills are still impressive however.

Glider · 10-14-2007, 06:52 PM

Almost as impressive as Branse Burbridge (pilot) and Bill Skelton (Radar Op) who shot down four German nightfighters on the night of 4th November over Germany in a mossie.
Three Ju88's and an Me110 over enemy land without the aid of ground control and picking them out of the mass of bomber returns. To me this was the best performance of any nightfighter of the war.

AL Schlageter · 10-14-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Those 5 kills are still impressive however.

Yes, but never repeated.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-14-2007, 07:43 PM

And that makes it all the more impressive.

lesofprimus · 10-14-2007, 10:20 PM

What about Schnaufer??? He shot down five enemy aircraft on the night of 24/25 May to record his 70th through 74th victories....

Erich · 10-14-2007, 10:27 PM

sorry but there are at least 6 other aces that shot down 4-9 RAF bombers down on a single night, Streibs in the He 219 cannot be confirmed and I really do not care what is listed in Tony Woods files from Freiburg

be cool don't drool

AL Schlageter · 10-14-2007, 10:34 PM

Did Maj. Werner Streib ever have another 5, or more, night in a He219? Did he ever have any other multi kill nights?

What is wrong with Tony's LW claim list?

Erich · 10-14-2007, 10:56 PM

under his own admission to me several years ago that many of the kills or I should say claims were not readable when copied off and he had to fill in. the truth will be told soon on Streib in a book in 2008

you can look back on the mission 26 November 1944 as an example of the Freiburg mistakes ~ for 56 claims by JG 301 with B-24/B-17 formations............. what a joke ! should read 21 which I have confirmed. that is a major gross error and that is only one of many. Remember this is only a claims listing and not a confirmation listing .......

drgondog · 10-14-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

under his own admission to me several years ago that many of the kills or I should say claims were not readable when copied off and he had to fill in. the truth will be told soon on Streib in a book in 2008

you can look back on the mission 26 November 1944 as an example of the Freiburg mistakes ~ for 56 claims by JG 301 with B-24/B-17 formations............. what a joke ! should read 21 which I have confirmed. that is a major gross error and that is only one of many. Remember this is only a claims listing and not a confirmation listing .......

Ditto on April 24 - B-17 'awards' 2+x actual and 7 of those weren't shot down as claimed but did land in Swtzerland. 12 Mustangs claimed by 109s and four actully shot down.

Overclaiming on all sides but....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-15-2007, 02:40 AM

Erich is are resident night fighter expert. He is a man of mystery and only reveals things at certain times. Man I love it!!

majorwoody10 · 10-23-2007, 10:10 AM

in il forgotten battles the late war up gunned 190s are the uber bomber killers in online combat .no american fighter has the punch to come close ...even with the jugs 8 fifties ....also in real life the same was true ..the 30 and 20 mm guns each fireing mini grenades and with lots of armour plate and a tuff radial engine coupled with the endless combat experience and super human effort ..( whats pts ? apparently it was forbidden in the luftwaffe ) the lw pilots given the endless parade of targets made this plane a bomber killer that was not then , nor ever will be , eclipsed in history ..modern costs and realitys being what they are ..the 262 was too fragile , too tempemental and too fast too even really be considered a rival as for allied planes , if it dosent mount at least 4 , 20 mm cannons ,,,fugedaboutit ...

the la-7 is gangster · 10-31-2007, 08:06 PM

I would go for me-262 and for ace pilots me-1
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DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-01-2007, 09:47 AM

What the hell are you trying to say?

plan_D · 11-01-2007, 09:58 AM

I think he's saying that the Me 262 is the best bomber killing aircraft; however for 'ace' pilots it would probably be the Me 163.

Personally, I wouldn't waste 'ace' pilots in the Komet...

10-14-2007, 06:07 PM	#902
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Those 5 kills are still impressive however. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

10-14-2007, 07:43 PM	#905
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	And that makes it all the more impressive. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

10-14-2007, 10:20 PM	#906
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	What about Schnaufer??? He shot down five enemy aircraft on the night of 24/25 May to record his 70th through 74th victories.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

10-14-2007, 10:27 PM	#907
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	sorry but there are at least 6 other aces that shot down 4-9 RAF bombers down on a single night, Streibs in the He 219 cannot be confirmed and I really do not care what is listed in Tony Woods files from Freiburg be cool don't drool __________________ Rip it up !

10-14-2007, 10:56 PM	#909
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	under his own admission to me several years ago that many of the kills or I should say claims were not readable when copied off and he had to fill in. the truth will be told soon on Streib in a book in 2008 you can look back on the mission 26 November 1944 as an example of the Freiburg mistakes ~ for 56 claims by JG 301 with B-24/B-17 formations............. what a joke ! should read 21 which I have confirmed. that is a major gross error and that is only one of many. Remember this is only a claims listing and not a confirmation listing ....... __________________ Rip it up !

10-14-2007, 06:52 PM	#903
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,655	Almost as impressive as Branse Burbridge (pilot) and Bill Skelton (Radar Op) who shot down four German nightfighters on the night of 4th November over Germany in a mossie. Three Ju88's and an Me110 over enemy land without the aid of ground control and picking them out of the mass of bomber returns. To me this was the best performance of any nightfighter of the war.

10-14-2007, 10:34 PM	#908
AL Schlageter Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 220	Did Maj. Werner Streib ever have another 5, or more, night in a He219? Did he ever have any other multi kill nights? What is wrong with Tony's LW claim list?

10-15-2007, 02:40 AM	#911
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Erich is are resident night fighter expert. He is a man of mystery and only reveals things at certain times. Man I love it!! __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

10-23-2007, 10:10 AM	#912
majorwoody10 Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76	in il forgotten battles the late war up gunned 190s are the uber bomber killers in online combat .no american fighter has the punch to come close ...even with the jugs 8 fifties ....also in real life the same was true ..the 30 and 20 mm guns each fireing mini grenades and with lots of armour plate and a tuff radial engine coupled with the endless combat experience and super human effort ..( whats pts ? apparently it was forbidden in the luftwaffe ) the lw pilots given the endless parade of targets made this plane a bomber killer that was not then , nor ever will be , eclipsed in history ..modern costs and realitys being what they are ..the 262 was too fragile , too tempemental and too fast too even really be considered a rival as for allied planes , if it dosent mount at least 4 , 20 mm cannons ,,,fugedaboutit ...

10-31-2007, 08:06 PM	#913
the la-7 is gangster Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	I would go for me-262 and for ace pilots me-1 63

11-01-2007, 09:47 AM	#914
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	What the hell are you trying to say? __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-01-2007, 09:58 AM	#915
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I think he's saying that the Me 262 is the best bomber killing aircraft; however for 'ace' pilots it would probably be the Me 163. Personally, I wouldn't waste 'ace' pilots in the Komet... __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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