Best Bomber Killing Aircraft...... - Page 62 - Aircraft of World War II

Neto · 11-01-2007, 06:39 PM

my opinion Bf 109 G, the versions with mk 108 cannon specially, this wepon with his high-explosive ammunition and god rpm was destructible to alied bombers.

Neto · 11-01-2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Erich is are resident night fighter expert. He is a man of mystery and only reveals things at certain times. Man I love it!!

Erich fly in night missions

how many kills he have in night missions?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-02-2007, 10:46 AM

I said he was our expert. I did not say he flew night fighters....

Neto · 11-03-2007, 01:18 PM

ok lol.. so i see that you like Erich you can tell me one thing? he participated in missions over the Western front theater ?

Erich · 11-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Neto a few things about me :

I am not a WW2 vet. am 54 years old. I did have two relatives serve in the Luftwaffe, 1 a day fighter pilot the other a night fighter ace and finished as Gruppenkommandeur of II./NJG 5 flying the Bf 110G-4. Both pilots were killed in the war. Also had 3 other men on my mothers side that served in the Heer on the Ost front, 2 of them died in action, the other as he was released from a Soviet Gulag died on his way home to the Pfalzland.

have studied the LW Nachtjagd, men and machines and units, radar and almost everything about it since 1964.

Gruß E ~

Neto · 11-03-2007, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

Neto a few things about me :

I am not a WW2 vet. am 54 years old. I did have two relatives serve in the Luftwaffe, 1 a day fighter pilot the other a night fighter ace and finished as Gruppenkommandeur of II./NJG 5 flying the Bf 110G-4. Both pilots were killed in the war. Also had 3 other men on my mothers side that served in the Heer on the Ost front, 2 of them died in action, the other as he was released from a Soviet Gulag died on his way home to the Pfalzland.

have studied the LW Nachtjagd, men and machines and units, radar and almost everything about it since 1964.

Gruß E ~

Easy, i am talking about Erich Alfred Hartmann the best ww2 ace with 352 kills, forgive if i don't explain me very well .. i only want know more about this famous ace.

ralphwiggum · 03-21-2008, 12:53 PM

I'm prejudiced to the FW 190A8 A lot of their pilots dumped the extra armor for better performance and, With the 30mm cannon it takes a very few rounds
to kill a heavy bomber

SoD Stitch · 03-21-2008, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neto

ok lol.. so i see that you like Erich you can tell me one thing? he participated in missions over the Western front theater ?

As far as I know (others can correct me if I'm wrong), he spent NO time on the Western Front; all of his time was spent on the Eastern Front. In fact, he was offered a spot in the Me 262 unit Galland was forming on the Western Front in '45, but he turned it down (even after making a flight in a 262) because he felt he could do more good on the Eastern Front defending Germany from the "Russian hordes".

Erich · 03-21-2008, 04:01 PM

E.H. was not the best ace......period

the most kills on the east front, then yes

B-17engineer · 03-21-2008, 05:27 PM

I say Bf-109G, a 30 mm gun in the nose, that could reak some havic.........I heard it only took 3 shots in the right place to knock a B-17 out. Imagine what that would do to the escort......

lesofprimus · 03-24-2008, 02:48 PM

Hey Engineer, how about the Fw 190A-8 with 2x 30mm and 2x 20mm.... Kinda make one hub fired 30mm kinda obsolete in the Bomber Killing Dept...

Kruska · 04-30-2008, 10:50 AM

Yes Fw-190A-8, surely the No.1 armed fighter in ww2 and as such probably the most potent bomber destroyer.

Was the Do 335 B2 acctually configured with nose mounted 1x30mm and 2x20mm, plus 2x30mm in underwing gondolas? If so it would have had even more firepower then the 190A-8.

Regards
Kruska

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kool kitty89 · 04-30-2008, 03:54 PM

Underwing gondolas usually put enough of a performance penalty to limit intercepting abilities, as long as they're MK 108's it's reasonable though. (with 103's no way, and wing mounts for them would be inaccurate due to recoil twisting the wings)
The 190 had the MK 108's mounted in place of the outer wing MG 151/20's but they were only close range weapons. (not much good beyond 300m)

I think the Do 335's nose mounted 30mm was the MK 103 though, a much larger and more powerful gun (albeit at a lower rate of fire) than the 108 and on a centerline mounting allowing hits at max range. (with 500m probably being possible with some decent accuracy, more with a very skilled marksman)

The 190 also had the nose-mounted 2x MG 131's (albeit a bit weak for this role) and 2x MG 151/20 in the wing roots with 250 RPG! The centerline mounting meant no convergence zone, though hits at max range. (while not the best 20mm gun, it was pretty good and in this case carried a lot of ammo and the mine round held a lot of HE, albeit at the expense of poor ballistic shape. The HE(XM) -high capacity mine round- weighing 104g with 25g HE filler)

Kruska · 04-30-2008, 04:11 PM

I guess that as a day fighter the D0335 would have been fitted with R4M's instead of gondolas. As for a role as a night-fighter the reduction in speed due to its gondolas would probably not cause any difficulty to cope with a bomber flying at 350-400km/h.

I think the decisive factors would have been loitering time and ammo carriage capabilities especially as a night-fighter. In this criteria I tend to favour the 335 (but I could be wrong).

Regards
Kruska
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Erich · 04-30-2008, 04:32 PM

curious why are you posing a what if with the Do 335 in this thread as well as nf ? the way of the jet was at hand, all prop jobs except the Ta 152H were to be replaced during summer of 45 for Tagdjagd. the 262 single seat had proven itself, other gruppen would have followed for nf duties, the Do 335 was not even considered seriously in the nf role. I'm doing a book co-authoring on the NF Reich defence duties, data collected for over 35 years so there will be much included as to why I consider my statements as truth

11-02-2007, 10:46 AM	#918
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I said he was our expert. I did not say he flew night fighters.... __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-03-2007, 03:37 PM	#920
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	Neto a few things about me : I am not a WW2 vet. am 54 years old. I did have two relatives serve in the Luftwaffe, 1 a day fighter pilot the other a night fighter ace and finished as Gruppenkommandeur of II./NJG 5 flying the Bf 110G-4. Both pilots were killed in the war. Also had 3 other men on my mothers side that served in the Heer on the Ost front, 2 of them died in action, the other as he was released from a Soviet Gulag died on his way home to the Pfalzland. have studied the LW Nachtjagd, men and machines and units, radar and almost everything about it since 1964. Gruß E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

03-21-2008, 04:01 PM	#924
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	E.H. was not the best ace......period the most kills on the east front, then yes __________________ Rip it up !

03-21-2008, 05:27 PM	#925
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,685	I say Bf-109G, a 30 mm gun in the nose, that could reak some havic.........I heard it only took 3 shots in the right place to knock a B-17 out. Imagine what that would do to the escort...... __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk Last edited by B-17engineer; 03-21-2008 at 05:30 PM.

03-24-2008, 02:48 PM	#926
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,502	Hey Engineer, how about the Fw 190A-8 with 2x 30mm and 2x 20mm.... Kinda make one hub fired 30mm kinda obsolete in the Bomber Killing Dept... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-01-2007, 06:39 PM	#916
Neto Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lisbon Posts: 36	my opinion Bf 109 G, the versions with mk 108 cannon specially, this wepon with his high-explosive ammunition and god rpm was destructible to alied bombers.

11-03-2007, 01:18 PM	#919
Neto Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lisbon Posts: 36	ok lol.. so i see that you like Erich you can tell me one thing? he participated in missions over the Western front theater ?

03-21-2008, 12:53 PM	#922
ralphwiggum Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 42	I'm prejudiced to the FW 190A8 A lot of their pilots dumped the extra armor for better performance and, With the 30mm cannon it takes a very few rounds to kill a heavy bomber

04-30-2008, 10:50 AM	#927
Kruska Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 606	Yes Fw-190A-8, surely the No.1 armed fighter in ww2 and as such probably the most potent bomber destroyer. Was the Do 335 B2 acctually configured with nose mounted 1x30mm and 2x20mm, plus 2x30mm in underwing gondolas? If so it would have had even more firepower then the 190A-8. Regards Kruska Attachment 62193 Last edited by Kruska; 05-17-2008 at 07:05 PM.

04-30-2008, 03:54 PM	#928
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	Underwing gondolas usually put enough of a performance penalty to limit intercepting abilities, as long as they're MK 108's it's reasonable though. (with 103's no way, and wing mounts for them would be inaccurate due to recoil twisting the wings) The 190 had the MK 108's mounted in place of the outer wing MG 151/20's but they were only close range weapons. (not much good beyond 300m) I think the Do 335's nose mounted 30mm was the MK 103 though, a much larger and more powerful gun (albeit at a lower rate of fire) than the 108 and on a centerline mounting allowing hits at max range. (with 500m probably being possible with some decent accuracy, more with a very skilled marksman) The 190 also had the nose-mounted 2x MG 131's (albeit a bit weak for this role) and 2x MG 151/20 in the wing roots with 250 RPG! The centerline mounting meant no convergence zone, though hits at max range. (while not the best 20mm gun, it was pretty good and in this case carried a lot of ammo and the mine round held a lot of HE, albeit at the expense of poor ballistic shape. The HE(XM) -high capacity mine round- weighing 104g with 25g HE filler) Last edited by kool kitty89; 04-30-2008 at 03:56 PM.

04-30-2008, 04:11 PM	#929
Kruska Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 606	I guess that as a day fighter the D0335 would have been fitted with R4M's instead of gondolas. As for a role as a night-fighter the reduction in speed due to its gondolas would probably not cause any difficulty to cope with a bomber flying at 350-400km/h. I think the decisive factors would have been loitering time and ammo carriage capabilities especially as a night-fighter. In this criteria I tend to favour the 335 (but I could be wrong). Regards Kruska Attachment 62207 Last edited by Kruska; 05-17-2008 at 07:05 PM.

04-30-2008, 04:32 PM	#930
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	curious why are you posing a what if with the Do 335 in this thread as well as nf ? the way of the jet was at hand, all prop jobs except the Ta 152H were to be replaced during summer of 45 for Tagdjagd. the 262 single seat had proven itself, other gruppen would have followed for nf duties, the Do 335 was not even considered seriously in the nf role. I'm doing a book co-authoring on the NF Reich defence duties, data collected for over 35 years so there will be much included as to why I consider my statements as truth __________________ Rip it up !

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