The Best Bomber of WWII: #4 - Page 40 - Aircraft of World War II

BIG BIRD · 08-31-2008, 11:32 PM

I sort of ment ground attack, but i say that the il-2 was not a dive bomber. I guess i could call it the best single engene bomber bomber of world war two.

kool kitty89 · 09-01-2008, 01:25 AM

I don't know there quite a few good single engined bombers.

BIG BIRD · 09-01-2008, 11:51 AM

I once saw a show about the top ten bombers on discovery channel. They were using planes such as the b-2 b-52 tu-16 all of those modern aircraft. One of the way they ranked the bombers was fear factor. The germans even called the il-2 the black death I read somewere on another thread that someone said the russians made that up but he didn't give any sources or supporting evidince so do to the fact that most or all history books ar against him a don't know if thats true. There were a lot of other good single engene bombers out there that could give they il-2 a run for there mony. hell diver, avenger and you realy coulden't leave out the il-10. The il-2 was simply the best for the fact that they were used so effectivly against german tanks in away that they gained a uge scyolagile advantige of there opponints. Someone also said that they were rendered usles with out escorts that is true but, One russian factory was producing 20 yak 9s a day and a lot of late war russian fighters were totaly superior to any plane in a low level dogfight, german or allied. So a lack of escort wasn't a problem for the russians.

But if you desire to include fighter bombers as single engine bomber than than the best bomber would have to be the tiffy, jug or bucher bird

FLYBOYJ · 09-01-2008, 11:55 AM

Don't believe those Discovery Channel shows - many of the so-called "experts" are idiots and actually know little or nothing about aircraft.

pbfoot · 09-01-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Don't believe those Discovery Channel shows - many of the so-called "experts" are idiots and actually know little or nothing about aircraft.

I agree they are crap as far as aircraft , can't comment on Tanks etc as I don't know

BIG BIRD · 09-01-2008, 12:39 PM

I dont belive in them. They once said that p-61 was onlly purpose bult nightfighter of world war two look at the hienkal he219. They hapen to make a point about fear wich was a good one but 98% of things they say are hideos lies.

FLYBOYJ · 09-01-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG BIRD

I dont belive in them. They once said that p-61 was onlly purpose bult nightfighter of world war two. They hapen to make a point about fear wich was a good one but 98% of things they say are hideos lies.

Hey I see you're in Broomfield - I fly out of Jeffco (Metro). I live in Lakewood.

BIG BIRD · 09-02-2008, 12:00 AM

What kind of planes do you fly?

FLYBOYJ · 09-02-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG BIRD

What kind of planes do you fly?

Right now, Cessna 172s and Supercubs on occasion.

B-17engineer · 09-02-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG BIRD

I once saw a show about the top ten bombers on discovery channel. They were using planes such as the b-2 b-52 tu-16 all of those modern aircraft. One of the way they ranked the bombers was fear factor. The germans even called the il-2 the black death I read somewere on another thread that someone said the russians made that up but he didn't give any sources or supporting evidince so do to the fact that most or all history books ar against him a don't know if thats true. There were a lot of other good single engene bombers out there that could give they il-2 a run for there mony. hell diver, avenger and you realy coulden't leave out the il-10. The il-2 was simply the best for the fact that they were used so effectivly against german tanks in away that they gained a uge scyolagile advantige of there opponints. Someone also said that they were rendered usles with out escorts that is true but, One russian factory was producing 20 yak 9s a day and a lot of late war russian fighters were totaly superior to any plane in a low level dogfight, german or allied. So a lack of escort wasn't a problem for the russians.

But if you desire to include fighter bombers as single engine bomber than than the best bomber would have to be the tiffy, jug or bucher bird

Don't you mean the Tu-95 'Bear'?

BIG BIRD · 09-02-2008, 10:25 AM

I didn't see it for a while and didn't see the whole thing but that sounds right.

B-17engineer · 09-02-2008, 12:55 PM

lol just wondering

moomoo2 · 09-05-2008, 08:11 PM

Mosquito. I don't need to justify it in any way, its record speaks for itself

FLYBOYJ · 09-05-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moomoo2

Mosquito. I don't need to justify it in any way, its record speaks for itself

The Mossie was a great plane - it didn't have a computerized fire control system, could carry a 24,000 pound bomb load over vast areas of the Pacific at 30,000 feet - besides a few months in humidity and the Mossie was firewood - sorry nube, read the earlier posts....

kool kitty89 · 09-05-2008, 10:04 PM

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it didn't have a computerized fire control system

What would be the point of having one on an aircraft with no guns?

09-01-2008, 11:51 AM	#588
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	I once saw a show about the top ten bombers on discovery channel. They were using planes such as the b-2 b-52 tu-16 all of those modern aircraft. One of the way they ranked the bombers was fear factor. The germans even called the il-2 the black death I read somewere on another thread that someone said the russians made that up but he didn't give any sources or supporting evidince so do to the fact that most or all history books ar against him a don't know if thats true. There were a lot of other good single engene bombers out there that could give they il-2 a run for there mony. hell diver, avenger and you realy coulden't leave out the il-10. The il-2 was simply the best for the fact that they were used so effectivly against german tanks in away that they gained a uge scyolagile advantige of there opponints. Someone also said that they were rendered usles with out escorts that is true but, One russian factory was producing 20 yak 9s a day and a lot of late war russian fighters were totaly superior to any plane in a low level dogfight, german or allied. So a lack of escort wasn't a problem for the russians. But if you desire to include fighter bombers as single engine bomber than than the best bomber would have to be the tiffy, jug or bucher bird Last edited by BIG BIRD; 09-01-2008 at 11:53 AM.

09-01-2008, 11:55 AM	#589
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09-01-2008, 12:39 PM	#591
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	I dont belive in them. They once said that p-61 was onlly purpose bult nightfighter of world war two look at the hienkal he219. They hapen to make a point about fear wich was a good one but 98% of things they say are hideos lies. Last edited by BIG BIRD; 09-01-2008 at 12:42 PM.

09-02-2008, 12:55 PM	#597
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08-31-2008, 11:32 PM	#586
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	I sort of ment ground attack, but i say that the il-2 was not a dive bomber. I guess i could call it the best single engene bomber bomber of world war two.

09-01-2008, 01:25 AM	#587
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	I don't know there quite a few good single engined bombers.

09-02-2008, 12:00 AM	#593
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	What kind of planes do you fly?

09-02-2008, 10:25 AM	#596
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	I didn't see it for a while and didn't see the whole thing but that sounds right.

09-05-2008, 08:11 PM	#598
moomoo2 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 22	Mosquito. I don't need to justify it in any way, its record speaks for itself