 | The Best Bomber of WWII: #4| Aviation Discuss The Best Bomber of WWII: #4 in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by silvertop
hey flyboy,
They DID use the b29's over europe
we hadthem at RAF Marham Norfolk ... |
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04-09-2008, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by silvertop  hey flyboy,
They DID use the b29's over europe
we hadthem at RAF Marham Norfolk ENGLAND
I worked on them | In the late 40s, early 50s - right?
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04-09-2008, 12:11 PM
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Country:  | Very roughly, (I am not going to attempt to match you guys in this debate), I think I read somewhere the bombing offensive is estimated to have sucked out about 10% of German production in 1943, rising to about 35-40% in 1944, and climbing to over 50% in 1945. These are very rough figures, and I am not going to die in a ditch if people have better stats.
As the voice in the wilderness, I am going to be the bunny and say I am not so sure that oil was the magic bullet that you all say it is. Sure, it was effective, even vital, but the day in day out attacks on the transport network sure did a lot of harm to both the german military AND the economy. The German rolling stock and loco situation started terribly, and just got worse as the war progressed. And Germany absolutely depended on her rail network | |
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04-09-2008, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 | Thanks for the links, Syscom.
I would say the main reason the Germans lost was because they were fighting against the rest of the world, losing men they couldn't replace (especially on the eastern front). I agree with PlanD that the Germans already lost before the allies started to bomb the oil factories. I do however believe the bombing of the factories helped shortening the war. Just like the atomic bomb on Japan, it didn't change the outcome, so it wasn't decisive in that sense, but it did make the end come quicker.
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04-09-2008, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by silvertop hey flyboy,
They DID use the b29's over europe
we hadthem at RAF Marham Norfolk ENGLAND
I worked on them | They were evaluated in England but they never flew combat missions over Europe...
Right???
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04-09-2008, 01:56 PM
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| There were no B29 missions in Europe.
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Country: | Thankyou sys that is what I was getting at.
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04-09-2008, 05:23 PM
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Country: | The RAF used 70 Boeing B29Ds between 1950 and 1958 as a stopgap until the V bombers came into service such as the Vickers Valiant, Avro Vulcan and HP Victor. The B29s were called Washingtons by the RAF and they were based at Coningsby and Marham. Article 1 | |
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04-14-2008, 06:14 AM
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05-26-2008, 05:11 PM
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Country: | I'm going to change my vote from the Lanc to the B17 or B24 although they carried less they had more to do with the demise of the LW then the bomber command types. The fact the USAAF needed a long range fighter to accompany the heavies and hence draw the Luftwaffe into battle was far more important then the highly inaccurate forays that bomber command was able to complete . It's been mentioned about Gee and Oboe made the night mission more accurate well Berlin was out of range for either of these beams because both beams were limited by line of sight . Gee had an CEP an oval 2 x 6 miles and Oboe was better at several hundred yards . H2S was unable to pick Berlin out do to lack of distinguishing features
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| Funny how I was convinced that the B24 was #2 and then switched my vote to the Lanc.
And now you're saying the B24 was better than the Lanc? 
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05-26-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Funny how I was convinced that the B24 was #2 and then switched my vote to the Lanc.
And now you're saying the B24 was better than the Lanc? | I'm not just looking at the payload I'm looking at the fact if not for the 8th AF performing the daylight missions the Luftwaffe would have been very much stronger . The fact being the USAAF were forced to develop long range escorts which also forced the LW to meet the challenge of attacking bombers with a protective fighter screen which if you follow the bouncing ball caused the LW high losses .
In short the presence of USAAF bombers and fighters in strength over Germany proper in daylight was a far bigger part in the destruction of germany and the LW then night bombing hence the 24 or 17 was more important .
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Country: | Didn't the USAAF get a long range fighter becausr the British ordered a fighter from North American who came up with the Mustang. Add the Merlin engine and the rest is history.  | |
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05-26-2008, 09:54 PM
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| The US already had a long range fighter called the P38
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05-26-2008, 10:04 PM
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Country: | I would like to now why on the B29 they did not give it the RR Dart Turbine.I think it would have been a good combo . | |
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