Best Fighter III - Page 17 - Aircraft of World War II

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-16-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

nothing is, yet you seem to think the P-38 is??

Actually I dont think the P-38 was the greatest plane ever. I just think it is better then some of the things you throw up against it.

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Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

That is not true Alder. I just think the P-51 was competative with all its rivals in WWII. It had a few things it did very well, such as sustain high speeds for extended periods and tremendous range, and others it was not so good at, such as sustained hard turns and durability under fire.

Thankyou RG, that is the best thing Ive heard so far. Now I will agree with you!

FLYBOYJ · 04-16-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Oh I believe exactly what you are saying, but RG thinks that the P-51 is the greatest thing since bread and butter. Yes it was a great aircraft and one of the best ever built however it like all aircraft had faults also. Machines are not perfect.

That is not true Alder. I just think the P-51 was competative with all its rivals in WWII. It had a few things it did very well, such as sustain high speeds for extended periods and tremendous range, and others it was not so good at, such as sustained hard turns and durability under fire.

The P-38 was a great plane, but it's not until you get into the late J series that it really came into its own. And it was flawed in its ability at high speeds because the wings were not properly designed for it - it should have had a little more wing area but thinner wings.

All-in-all, I think the F4U-4 and P-47M/N were the best American fighters.

The F4U-4 was probably the best pure fighter of the three perticularly under about 27,000 feet. But of course, it didn't see action in the ETO.

=S=

Lunatic

I VOTE FOR THE F4U-4

trackend · 04-16-2005, 10:15 AM

Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite...... I must stop spitting, filthy habit.

But seriously folks I love the Spitfire but my logical head says that the Corsair (even though not correct I like names more than numbers) was a more advanced aircraft so I believe probably on balance a better fighter. Clever bloke that Sikorsky (& Beisel of course)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-17-2005, 10:31 AM

The Corsair was definatly a great aircraft.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-17-2005, 02:14 PM

and cirtainly in the running for this title............

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-18-2005, 01:02 PM

Yes it should be.

Aggie08 · 04-18-2005, 04:58 PM

my vote is with the mustang or the corsair... but no takers for the me-262? Could have changed the course of the war had it been utilized properly...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-19-2005, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aggie08

my vote is with the mustang or the corsair... but no takers for the me-262? Could have changed the course of the war had it been utilized properly...

The Corsair is a fine choice. I would not go with the 262 however. I too think it was a fine aircraft (not accounting for the engine problems), and I too think it was the best operational jet of WW2 however it was too little, too late. Needed to work out the engine problems and get more fuel and then maybe if it had been operational about a year sooner.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-19-2005, 12:04 PM

she wasn't much of a dogfighter either..........

trackend · 04-20-2005, 06:47 AM

I read that the speed of the 262 actually caused problems as the range closed so quickly they had to reduce speed to get long enough to ensure accuacy on smaller targets like fighters ect also the aircraft had a habit of weaving when given some welly

KraziKanuK · 04-20-2005, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by trackend

I read that the speed of the 262 actually caused problems as the range closed so quickly they had to reduce speed to get long enough to ensure accuacy on smaller targets like fighters ect also the aircraft had a habit of weaving when given some welly

The a/c tended to 'snake' at high speeds.

Throttling back was not an option for under 6000rpm the throttle could not be moved quickly. On a bomber attack, the a/c would dive from a higher altitude(1500m??) to get through the fighter screen, go below the level of the bombers(500m??) and climb to loose speed. Seen a diagram in a book someplace, hence the '??'.

trackend · 04-20-2005, 08:41 AM

Thanks for the info KK

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-20-2005, 01:04 PM

The aircraft was deffinatly too fast for conventional dogfighting. Therefore she was better suited for intercepting then dogfighting.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-20-2005, 02:44 PM

which is the role she was used in most...........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-21-2005, 01:52 PM

Correct

04-17-2005, 10:31 AM	#244
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	The Corsair was definatly a great aircraft. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

04-17-2005, 02:14 PM	#245
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	and cirtainly in the running for this title............ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-18-2005, 01:02 PM	#246
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	Yes it should be. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

04-18-2005, 04:58 PM	#247
Aggie08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,013	my vote is with the mustang or the corsair... but no takers for the me-262? Could have changed the course of the war had it been utilized properly... __________________ "I had ten rockets on board, and as I wasn't particularly fond of head-on attacks, I salvoed the whole lot at him. The rockets didn't hit him but but they must have scared the bejesus out of him, for he did a steep turn to starboard... I let him have the full blast, all eight fifty-calibers. I had never seen an aircraft completely disintegrate in the air the way this Me-110 did..." Bill Dunn, 406th Fighter Group Matt

04-19-2005, 12:04 PM	#249
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	she wasn't much of a dogfighter either.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-16-2005, 10:15 AM	#243
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,030	Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite,Spite...... I must stop spitting, filthy habit. But seriously folks I love the Spitfire but my logical head says that the Corsair (even though not correct I like names more than numbers) was a more advanced aircraft so I believe probably on balance a better fighter. Clever bloke that Sikorsky (& Beisel of course)

04-20-2005, 06:47 AM	#250
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,030	I read that the speed of the 262 actually caused problems as the range closed so quickly they had to reduce speed to get long enough to ensure accuacy on smaller targets like fighters ect also the aircraft had a habit of weaving when given some welly

04-20-2005, 08:41 AM	#252
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,030	Thanks for the info KK

04-20-2005, 01:04 PM	#253
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	The aircraft was deffinatly too fast for conventional dogfighting. Therefore she was better suited for intercepting then dogfighting. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

04-20-2005, 02:44 PM	#254
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	which is the role she was used in most........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-21-2005, 01:52 PM	#255
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	Correct __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

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