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Erich · 01-30-2005, 02:07 AM

again not having the Ta 152 run up against the P-51K we will never know

cheddar cheese · 01-30-2005, 03:30 AM

That would be an interesting match.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-30-2005, 04:07 AM

I agree would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out.

KraziKanuK · 01-30-2005, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

again not having the Ta 152 run up against the P-51K we will never know

Erich, did you mean the P-51H, for the P-51K was the Dallas built version of the P-51D?

Lightning Guy · 01-30-2005, 10:36 AM

Udet, I've seend several quotes from German pilots indicating the the maneuverability of the 109 was seriously degraded by the time of the G and later models. Not to say that it was obsolete by any means. But to claim that the 109 could fly rings around a P-51 may be stretching the truth a bit. This seems to be verified by the compartivie flight tests conducted as well.

I would agree with you that the P-47 contributed as much (if nor more) to the daylight bombing raids as the P-51. However, The P-51 was the better air-to-air fighter. Of course, I would choose a P-38L over either one of them.

Erich · 01-30-2005, 11:29 AM

KK no what was available at hand. We have all thought the what if. posed the Ta 152 H against the P-51D or K in high altitiude combat..........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-30-2005, 12:32 PM

I think had the Ta-152 would have been a great match for a P-51D, K at high alltitudes. Even maybe would have a considerable advantage over the D.

I wonder what kind of impact it would have made had the Ta-152's been built in larger numbers and earlier then they had.

Erich · 01-30-2005, 12:50 PM

would depend if the Luftwafe pilots had as much time to train on the Tank as the US fighter pilots on their P-51's. We would of then read of hihg altitude flights as high as 40,000 plus feet. who knows........ ?

01-30-2005, 01:28 PM

P-51's could not fight effectively above about 33-35K. The Ta's would have to have come down to fight.

The Ta could never have been produced in large numbers (like the P-51), it was a very difficult plane to manufacture.

=S=

Lunatic

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-30-2005, 01:46 PM

that's true of most german engineering, very advanced and couldn't be produced in large numbers...........

cheddar cheese · 01-30-2005, 01:48 PM

I think the Germans built probably the best planes of the war, it was just resources that lost it for them.

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-30-2005, 01:56 PM

yes their bomber's were truely amazing...........

cheddar cheese · 01-30-2005, 01:58 PM

I detect sarcasm there?

Although not German, the P.108 was an amazing bomber...

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-30-2005, 01:59 PM

no it wasn't, t'was a piece of ****................

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-30-2005, 01:59 PM

German engineering is well notoriously overengineered!

01-30-2005, 02:07 AM	#31
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	again not having the Ta 152 run up against the P-51K we will never know __________________ Rip it up !

01-30-2005, 04:07 AM	#33
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I agree would have been interesting to see how that would have turned out. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

01-30-2005, 10:36 AM	#35
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	Udet, I've seend several quotes from German pilots indicating the the maneuverability of the 109 was seriously degraded by the time of the G and later models. Not to say that it was obsolete by any means. But to claim that the 109 could fly rings around a P-51 may be stretching the truth a bit. This seems to be verified by the compartivie flight tests conducted as well. I would agree with you that the P-47 contributed as much (if nor more) to the daylight bombing raids as the P-51. However, The P-51 was the better air-to-air fighter. Of course, I would choose a P-38L over either one of them. __________________

01-30-2005, 11:29 AM	#36
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	KK no what was available at hand. We have all thought the what if. posed the Ta 152 H against the P-51D or K in high altitiude combat.......... __________________ Rip it up !

01-30-2005, 12:32 PM	#37
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I think had the Ta-152 would have been a great match for a P-51D, K at high alltitudes. Even maybe would have a considerable advantage over the D. I wonder what kind of impact it would have made had the Ta-152's been built in larger numbers and earlier then they had. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

01-30-2005, 03:30 AM	#32
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	That would be an interesting match.

01-30-2005, 12:50 PM	#38
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	would depend if the Luftwafe pilots had as much time to train on the Tank as the US fighter pilots on their P-51's. We would of then read of hihg altitude flights as high as 40,000 plus feet. who knows........ ? __________________ Rip it up !

01-30-2005, 01:28 PM	#39
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	P-51's could not fight effectively above about 33-35K. The Ta's would have to have come down to fight. The Ta could never have been produced in large numbers (like the P-51), it was a very difficult plane to manufacture. =S= Lunatic

01-30-2005, 01:46 PM	#40
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	that's true of most german engineering, very advanced and couldn't be produced in large numbers........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-30-2005, 01:48 PM	#41
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I think the Germans built probably the best planes of the war, it was just resources that lost it for them.

01-30-2005, 01:56 PM	#42
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	yes their bomber's were truely amazing........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-30-2005, 01:58 PM	#43
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I detect sarcasm there? Although not German, the P.108 was an amazing bomber...

01-30-2005, 01:59 PM	#44
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	no it wasn't, t'was a piece of ****................ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

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