The Best Fw-190 Variant...?

lesofprimus · 06-08-2005, 06:45 AM

There were a couple guys that got shot down by the shipboard AA fire, but im pretty sure ur right adler, it was the only strafe run down the beach head..

the lancaster kicks ass · 06-08-2005, 11:22 AM

for all the good he did, but atleast he tried and i can imagine how much scarier it'd make it to be shot at from above......

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-09-2005, 09:55 AM

Imagine being shotdown over the beach head and landing in the whole rain of bullets and all.

the lancaster kicks ass · 06-09-2005, 05:06 PM

nice to take cover behind though, priller would proberly end up getting shot though........

Erich · 06-09-2005, 05:19 PM

just to add this tidbit. As on the 6th of June the Jagdgeschwaders were in the state of moving from one airfield to another. prime for the Allies no doubt as resistance by the Luftwaffe was ever so slight. Again that was to change as many fighter duels raged over the bocage country and inland some at very low altitude....during June-August of 44.

for 9th of June there were no aerial combat claims by the Luftwaffe over Normandie as the focus was on heavy B-24 formations by the US 15th AF attacking München. 16 were shot down with another 12 shot out of formation. A big day for Bf 109G-6 equipped I./JG 302, JG 77, JG 4 and JG 53.

10th of June a different scene aappeared over Normandie as the Luftwaffe arose to defend it's territory over Normandie. 5 kills to Ffw 190A-8 equipped III./JG 54. Addi glunz while in 6./JG 26 shot down 3 P-47's in the area of Lisieux at 2500-4000metres.....

Ploesti was also attacked and JG 77 arose to meet the 15th AF

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-10-2005, 09:59 AM

I have found a lot of info about aerial encounters like this through books and on the net but what I want to know Erich is where you get this info on particular days like you have. It is really good stuff.

CharlesBronson · 06-22-2005, 10:15 AM

Tactical trials:

FW-190A-4 vs P-47C

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-23-2005, 05:00 AM

Good find there.

CharlesBronson · 07-17-2005, 03:39 PM

One of the first sturmbock used by Major Dahl:

He gained his 128th and last victory, a USAAF P-51 Mustang near Dillingen, on 26 April 1945. Walter Dahl survived the war but died on 25 November 1985 at Heidelberg, aged 69.
Walter Dahl shot down 128 enemy aircraft in 678 missions, including about 300 ground-attack missions. He claimed 30, possibly 36, four-engined bombers and 34 Il-2 Stormovik ground attack aircraft. Dahl also achieved 2, possibly as many as 9 victories, flying the Me-262. He recorded 84 victories over the Eastern Front.

Erich · 07-17-2005, 03:54 PM

friend actually this is not Dahl's SturmFw. this is a machine, maybe Staffelkäpitan of 11.Sturm/JG 3 during July of 44. The 13 is actually black.

Dahl's yes would of had a blue 13 but the rumpfband would of been red not white and also without the IV.thr gruppe ~ marking. Soince he was Kommodore of JG 300 there would of been no marking over the defence Reich red band. Dahl's victories of been under scrutiny for years and indeed becasue of his high standing position could easily of claimed other pilots victories of his Stab or claimed without his wingman present.

Adler answering your June 10th posting yes much reading and interviewing veterans plus having the oppourtunity to check on US bomb group histories through the bomb group representatives and of course the overseas research contacts for many years, before NAM and after, comparing notes and finding what actually happened and not depending solely on old books for the information. The result of tedious effort, some of it painful and unfulfilling but at least the last 7-9 years with the net available more and more of those hard efforts can be gleaned in a much easier fashion, none of this wait 6 months for a reply or unanswered phone calls. there is still much being uncovered, and to stick with Charles posting waiting for the volume 1 of JG 300 to be available...sometime in august last I heard. the French version is out and is doing well. Dahl's SturmFw's and A-8's will be in the two volumes.

Erich

Erich · 07-17-2005, 04:06 PM

here is the photo in question. Dahl visited IV.Sturm/JG 3 right after the many victories the SturmFw unit of JG 3 at their base on 7-7-44. Dahl is with a couple of staff members and future ace Konrad Bauer of 5.Sturm/JG 300. Willi Moritz, Gruppenkommandeur - of IV.Sturm/JG 3 is also present watching the SturmFw's of JG 3 coming in to land.

Erich · 07-17-2005, 04:09 PM

here is a shot of Mr. happy maybe has just got himself a kill, but then maybe a bogus claim ? this is a shot of 1 of his several Fw 190A's that he flew.

CharlesBronson · 07-17-2005, 06:05 PM

Very interesting :P

Recently I had made a comparative between some profiles of FW-190A-8 of Ospreys "FW-190 aces of the Western Front", the Simon Schatz art, and others that I picked in the Internet.....and none of it machted, damn

Erich · 07-17-2005, 06:14 PM

Charles the pic in question, and please do not trust Osprey but keep an open mind.

IV.Sturm/Jg 3 SturmFw's had the white band with the ~ over it indicating IV. th gruppen. also 11th staffel had the white trim over the exhuast Adlerflügeln. Of note is the Scheuklppen, the protective armored glass on the canopy as II.Sturm/JG 4 removed theirs after theier second aerial encounter and JG 300 never used them...

CharlesBronson · 07-17-2005, 06:26 PM

Good photo ¡¡

Notable the "all black" overpainting applied....not very skillfully .