Which was the best night fighter? - Page 29 - Aircraft of World War II

Marshall_Stack · 05-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Thought I would post something I found. Erich may have a problem with "what was considered Germany' best night fighter".

Night Fighters of World War II - Fun Facts, Questions, Answers, Information

Erich · 05-21-2009, 06:23 PM

that's ok Marshall I forgive you ..........

there isn't enough info from any of those posters to prove their point.

the chap posting the He 219 needs to follow through with more research as it was not the answer to the BC Mossie, just a short stop gap till the Me 262A could get online and in numbers which it never was

Lezza · 05-23-2009, 11:34 AM

Erich: A non-controversial question. Is your upcoming book going to be in English, and if so, what will be the title, who's publishing it and when can we expect it?

parsifal · 05-23-2009, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lezza

Erich: A non-controversial question. Is your upcoming book going to be in English, and if so, what will be the title, who's publishing it and when can we expect it?

Welcome Lezza, I see that you hail from Albury....thats a relatively short step to my home, just north of Canberra

Lezza · 05-24-2009, 08:24 AM

Hi Parsifal,
Just north of Canberra? Goulburn? Brings back memories of long hauls through the night when tripping between Albury and Sydnery in my dim, dark youth. May I ask a question? Are you an aero engine nut?
Regards, Lezza.

parsifal · 05-24-2009, 01:50 PM

I live in Bungendore actually, Born in Orange, and spent some time up North and in Sydney. Spent some time in the navy, wanted to be aircrew but was rejected.

I love aircraft, but I dont consider myself an expert on engines, or any technical aspect really. There are a lot of guys here that know 50 times more than I do. I enjoy the history of the application of airpower in the war. Successes, failures common history, and not so common as well. I love ships and aircraft, but any part of WWII has always attracted my attention .

Next time you plan to come up this way, drop me a line, perhaps we can catch up

20317 · 06-16-2009, 09:22 AM

Best?

hmm..... im thinking the Huns had the most experience with such a thing.

Best is such a complex term, seeing a sharp focussed crew could make a killer out of a Defiant whilst a bunch of idiots would quickly die in a Ju88 with all the late war bells and whistles....

I suppose it would come down to which aircraft gave easy flight, coupled with heavy guns, married to top notch equipment, all topped off by its results.

Soren · 06-16-2009, 09:09 PM

If jets are excluded: The Ju-388 by a lot.

Erich · 06-16-2009, 09:18 PM

sorry the Ju 388 not flown on operations

Soren · 06-17-2009, 06:54 PM

I thought the few they had were flown by squadrons to test the capabilities? At any rate they stood ready.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-17-2009, 06:58 PM

How will testing prove that something is better operationally than aircraft that are operational?

Soren · 06-18-2009, 05:22 PM

Adler the a/c was basically a Ju-88 on steroids, it could carry the same equipment while attaining a top speed of over 650 km/ at altitude. Plus the 13.5 km ceiling might have proven useful

Btw, I was talking about operational testing, something which normally will give a good idea of how an a/c does in combat.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-18-2009, 05:28 PM

An aircraft on "steroids" as you call it is going to operate differently.

I am with Erich, if an aircraft was not operational it can not be considered.

Erich · 06-18-2009, 05:49 PM

Soren the a/c was tested as a test unit by one test squadron. too many thing hampered this a/c from the start. the Ju 88G-6 was in effect the A/c of choice at the time in late 44 into 45 nothing else came close except the short term Me 262A-1a.

productivity of the G-6 as such was coming to a standstill as the plant and the extras to make this a/c whole were being bombed ruthlessly, there was not time for new experimentation anymore although the German techs and they must be given credit were still up in their sleeves trying to release new designs.

In fact if anything the G-10 with a longer fuselage would of been the carry over from the G-6 had war lingered and the persuance of different jet models trying to carve a space in the speed envelope with more streamlined designs of which I have spoken in the past of the 262 with a low down canopy and larger internal fuel cells

Soren · 06-18-2009, 06:42 PM

Roger that Erich, many thanks for the info

05-21-2009, 06:23 PM	#422
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	that's ok Marshall I forgive you .......... there isn't enough info from any of those posters to prove their point. the chap posting the He 219 needs to follow through with more research as it was not the answer to the BC Mossie, just a short stop gap till the Me 262A could get online and in numbers which it never was __________________ Rip it up !

05-24-2009, 01:50 PM	#426
parsifal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,994	I live in Bungendore actually, Born in Orange, and spent some time up North and in Sydney. Spent some time in the navy, wanted to be aircrew but was rejected. I love aircraft, but I dont consider myself an expert on engines, or any technical aspect really. There are a lot of guys here that know 50 times more than I do. I enjoy the history of the application of airpower in the war. Successes, failures common history, and not so common as well. I love ships and aircraft, but any part of WWII has always attracted my attention . Next time you plan to come up this way, drop me a line, perhaps we can catch up __________________ Do not judge on abilities, but on choices

06-16-2009, 09:09 PM	#428
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,113	If jets are excluded: The Ju-388 by a lot. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

06-16-2009, 09:18 PM	#429
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	sorry the Ju 388 not flown on operations __________________ Rip it up !

06-17-2009, 06:54 PM	#430
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,113	I thought the few they had were flown by squadrons to test the capabilities? At any rate they stood ready. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

05-21-2009, 04:55 PM	#421
Marshall_Stack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 379	Thought I would post something I found. Erich may have a problem with "what was considered Germany' best night fighter". Night Fighters of World War II - Fun Facts, Questions, Answers, Information

05-23-2009, 11:34 AM	#423
Lezza Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Albury, NSW, Australia Posts: 3	Erich: A non-controversial question. Is your upcoming book going to be in English, and if so, what will be the title, who's publishing it and when can we expect it?

05-24-2009, 08:24 AM	#425
Lezza Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Albury, NSW, Australia Posts: 3	Hi Parsifal, Just north of Canberra? Goulburn? Brings back memories of long hauls through the night when tripping between Albury and Sydnery in my dim, dark youth. May I ask a question? Are you an aero engine nut? Regards, Lezza.

06-16-2009, 09:22 AM	#427
20317 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 22	Best? hmm..... im thinking the Huns had the most experience with such a thing. Best is such a complex term, seeing a sharp focussed crew could make a killer out of a Defiant whilst a bunch of idiots would quickly die in a Ju88 with all the late war bells and whistles.... I suppose it would come down to which aircraft gave easy flight, coupled with heavy guns, married to top notch equipment, all topped off by its results.

06-17-2009, 06:58 PM	#431
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	How will testing prove that something is better operationally than aircraft that are operational? __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

06-18-2009, 05:22 PM	#432
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,113	Adler the a/c was basically a Ju-88 on steroids, it could carry the same equipment while attaining a top speed of over 650 km/ at altitude. Plus the 13.5 km ceiling might have proven useful Btw, I was talking about operational testing, something which normally will give a good idea of how an a/c does in combat. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

06-18-2009, 05:28 PM	#433
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	An aircraft on "steroids" as you call it is going to operate differently. I am with Erich, if an aircraft was not operational it can not be considered. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

06-18-2009, 05:49 PM	#434
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	Soren the a/c was tested as a test unit by one test squadron. too many thing hampered this a/c from the start. the Ju 88G-6 was in effect the A/c of choice at the time in late 44 into 45 nothing else came close except the short term Me 262A-1a. productivity of the G-6 as such was coming to a standstill as the plant and the extras to make this a/c whole were being bombed ruthlessly, there was not time for new experimentation anymore although the German techs and they must be given credit were still up in their sleeves trying to release new designs. In fact if anything the G-10 with a longer fuselage would of been the carry over from the G-6 had war lingered and the persuance of different jet models trying to carve a space in the speed envelope with more streamlined designs of which I have spoken in the past of the 262 with a low down canopy and larger internal fuel cells __________________ Rip it up !

06-18-2009, 06:42 PM	#435
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,113	Roger that Erich, many thanks for the info __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

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