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06-16-2005, 04:28 AM
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#121 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | What was the ceiling on the Ju-86P? It must have been high because Spitfire VI and VII were intercepting them at heights of 45,000 - 50,000 feet.
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06-16-2005, 10:29 AM
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#122 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Ju-86P ceiling = 12,800 meters. Cant be bothered to work that out in ft, but the Ju-86R's ceiling was higher, at 13,000m.
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06-16-2005, 05:21 PM
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#123 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | The Ju-86R was 42,650ft and the Ju-86P was approximatly 41,984ft.
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06-17-2005, 04:49 AM
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#124 | | Senior Member
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Country: | That's not actually that good, I expected it to be better. 
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06-17-2005, 11:03 AM
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#125 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | I did as well. Tell me more about these Spitfires though... 
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06-17-2005, 11:06 AM
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#126 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Ju-86P and R's alltitude was really good for when they first came out but were quickly overshadowed by better and better fighters that could match its alltitude. When the 86 was first being designed the main British fighter was the Hurricane.
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06-17-2005, 11:08 AM
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#127 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | I like the Ju-86. Wouldnt want to be the Ventral Gunner though.
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06-17-2005, 12:29 PM
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#128 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | All in all it was not very good though.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-17-2005, 12:37 PM
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#129 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | and useless in combat.........
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06-19-2005, 09:20 AM
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#130 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | How was it useless in combat. It could still drop bombs. Sometimes I think you just throw things in there, thats probably how you got your 12000 + posts huh! 
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06-19-2005, 09:24 AM
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#131 | | Senior Member
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Country: | It was a recce plane more than anything. High altitude Spitfire VI and VII were well known to intercept them at high altitude over North Africa and Italy. The VVS were begging Britain for Spitfire IX to intercept them.
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06-19-2005, 10:01 AM
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#132 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Oh I believe it dont take me wrong. She was not a very good plane, I just think it is funny sometimes how Lanc posts stuff but give you no reason.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-19-2005, 10:52 AM
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#133 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I believe they did a few high level raids on Moscow during '43 and the VVS were requesting Britain to deliver Spitfire IXs for PVO duty.
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06-19-2005, 01:22 PM
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#134 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I am surprised the Russians did not have anything that could fly that high because the altitude was not that great.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-19-2005, 03:31 PM
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#135 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | alder, look into the combat achievements of the plane, apart from herald the creation of new high altitude spitfires, what did the -86 do that made it not useless in combat??
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