Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued - Page 15 - Aircraft of World War II

Erich · 06-05-2005, 05:04 PM

remember the G-2 just had a longer wingspan and nothing else. The Panzerstaffeln used both. I am still researching the last dark days of JG 7 with those altered R4M's. all I can say now is it was brutal when they let off a slavo agasint Soviet armor and then followed up with the 4 3cm weapons on MT and truppen.................Yikes

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 05:31 PM

Hell yea. Actually the difference between the G-1 and G-2 were alittle more involved...

The G-1 was based on the 87D-3 airframe, while the G-2 was based on the D-5...

The differences between the 2 Dora models were deleted wing dive brakes, a wing with tapering and extension, fixed armament changed to 2x 20mm MG 151/20, reinforced ground observation panel in the cockpit floor, mass balanced ailerons, undercarriage jettison facility and a revised bomb rack...

From what ive read, the G-2 was slightly more manouverable than the G-1, and with the Stuka, the more the FREAKIN better....

Erich · 06-05-2005, 05:38 PM

the G-1 and G-2 did not have dive brakes nor 2cm cannon as it was not needed. The diffence was a slight armor modifications around the cockpit and radio whichw as a abit more advnaced than the G-1. the D-3 and D-5 airframes did not have really much diffenrce either but did include armor where needed-increased and the 2cm guns. this is readily apparent on the nachtshclact D's used by these forces to bust up Soviet and Us/British crossroads traffic in 44-45. There was not D-7 nor D-8 variant. yes this is blowing the history books away that are covering the bird but it is fact. wish Matin Pegg would get his act together and publish his monument to the Ju 87 gruppen like he did the Hs 129 some years back

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 05:54 PM

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the G-1 and G-2 did not have dive brakes nor 2cm cannon as it was not needed.

I agree.... Anything that the G-2 added to increase my life expectancy and give me the ability to kill more of those flithy communists in their little tanks the better.... I mean seriously... I wish I could have had that bathtub of armor around me in my G-2 like the Hs-129 did... MAN!

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this is readily apparent on the nachtshclact D's used by these forces to bust up Soviet and Us/British crossroads traffic in 44-45.

And man, what a job they did...... Those 37mm.... Bang bang bang...

God I love this video clip. Thanks to whoever posted it.......

Erich · 06-05-2005, 05:56 PM

Les I cannot get mpegs for some stupid reason, can U get it into wmv file cause that I can open.

man I must be tired today after work my spelling really sucks

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 05:58 PM

Hmmm... lemme try. I dont have any program worth a crap for vid, but gimme a sec.

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 06:17 PM

OK here ya go. try this...

Erich · 06-05-2005, 06:43 PM

very good Les ! yes this is the file from Detusche Wocheschau that is suppose to be G's attacking JS 1's in Hungary. Well at least we see a Ju 87G attacking some thing and some derelict JS 1's but no apparent 3.7cm cannon round damage. typical propaganda footage but very cool anyway

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 06:47 PM

Yea, i was disapointed when there wasnt any real footage showing the JS2 gettin blasted, but i still love the clip none the less... The puffs of smoke and the sound.....

Erich · 06-05-2005, 06:52 PM

well one day I will get the footage of some 4 Ju87 G's taking out 6 T-34's to post here. Again on the Deutsche Wochenschau footage

A steep angle of attack and down and up with the twin 37mm's tearing the heart out of these tanks. Again proving when caught out in the open with no mobil AA you are dead meat

lesofprimus · 06-05-2005, 07:10 PM

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well one day I will get the footage of some 4 Ju87 G's taking out 6 T-34's to post here

Hopefully sooner than later... Now ur gonna have me searching the internet trying to find it.......

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Again proving when caught out in the open with no mobil AA you are dead meat.

But damn if them Russians didnt have a crap load of AA..... It seems like anything that could support a AA gun, did.... I remember, awhile ago, seeing this Russian truck with 4 AA weapons on it... Crazy....

dinos7 · 06-05-2005, 07:54 PM

i think the IL-2 is one of the greatest tank killers, beacause of its cannon that could penetrate most tank armor. i also think that the ju-87 is a good one too. but i cant really debate beetween them. but beetween those two, i would pick the IL-2.

dinos7 · 06-05-2005, 08:00 PM

i really dont think i can really debate. how many bombs can a IL-2 Carry?

plan_D · 06-05-2005, 08:06 PM

You're right, les, the Soviets put AA on anything and everything that could carry it. Apart from their home grown hybrid designs they also had U.S delivered M16 AA GMCs (Quad .50s on a M5 Halftrack)

dinos7 · 06-05-2005, 08:24 PM

i like the ju too
why were the russians short of aa

06-05-2005, 05:04 PM	#211
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,097	remember the G-2 just had a longer wingspan and nothing else. The Panzerstaffeln used both. I am still researching the last dark days of JG 7 with those altered R4M's. all I can say now is it was brutal when they let off a slavo agasint Soviet armor and then followed up with the 4 3cm weapons on MT and truppen.................Yikes __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2005, 05:31 PM	#212
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,454	Hell yea. Actually the difference between the G-1 and G-2 were alittle more involved... The G-1 was based on the 87D-3 airframe, while the G-2 was based on the D-5... The differences between the 2 Dora models were deleted wing dive brakes, a wing with tapering and extension, fixed armament changed to 2x 20mm MG 151/20, reinforced ground observation panel in the cockpit floor, mass balanced ailerons, undercarriage jettison facility and a revised bomb rack... From what ive read, the G-2 was slightly more manouverable than the G-1, and with the Stuka, the more the FREAKIN better.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

06-05-2005, 05:38 PM	#213
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,097	the G-1 and G-2 did not have dive brakes nor 2cm cannon as it was not needed. The diffence was a slight armor modifications around the cockpit and radio whichw as a abit more advnaced than the G-1. the D-3 and D-5 airframes did not have really much diffenrce either but did include armor where needed-increased and the 2cm guns. this is readily apparent on the nachtshclact D's used by these forces to bust up Soviet and Us/British crossroads traffic in 44-45. There was not D-7 nor D-8 variant. yes this is blowing the history books away that are covering the bird but it is fact. wish Matin Pegg would get his act together and publish his monument to the Ju 87 gruppen like he did the Hs 129 some years back __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2005, 05:56 PM	#215
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,097	Les I cannot get mpegs for some stupid reason, can U get it into wmv file cause that I can open. man I must be tired today after work my spelling really sucks __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2005, 05:58 PM	#216
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,454	Hmmm... lemme try. I dont have any program worth a crap for vid, but gimme a sec. __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

06-05-2005, 06:43 PM	#218
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,097	very good Les ! yes this is the file from Detusche Wocheschau that is suppose to be G's attacking JS 1's in Hungary. Well at least we see a Ju 87G attacking some thing and some derelict JS 1's but no apparent 3.7cm cannon round damage. typical propaganda footage but very cool anyway __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2005, 06:47 PM	#219
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,454	Yea, i was disapointed when there wasnt any real footage showing the JS2 gettin blasted, but i still love the clip none the less... The puffs of smoke and the sound..... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

06-05-2005, 06:52 PM	#220
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,097	well one day I will get the footage of some 4 Ju87 G's taking out 6 T-34's to post here. Again on the Deutsche Wochenschau footage A steep angle of attack and down and up with the twin 37mm's tearing the heart out of these tanks. Again proving when caught out in the open with no mobil AA you are dead meat __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2005, 07:54 PM	#222
dinos7 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 87	i think the IL-2 is one of the greatest tank killers, beacause of its cannon that could penetrate most tank armor. i also think that the ju-87 is a good one too. but i cant really debate beetween them. but beetween those two, i would pick the IL-2. __________________

06-05-2005, 08:00 PM	#223
dinos7 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 87	i really dont think i can really debate. how many bombs can a IL-2 Carry? __________________

06-05-2005, 08:06 PM	#224
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	You're right, les, the Soviets put AA on anything and everything that could carry it. Apart from their home grown hybrid designs they also had U.S delivered M16 AA GMCs (Quad .50s on a M5 Halftrack) __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-05-2005, 08:24 PM	#225
dinos7 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 87	i like the ju too why were the russians short of aa

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