 | Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued| Aviation Discuss Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued in the World War II - Aviation forums; remember the G-2 just had a longer wingspan and nothing else. The Panzerstaffeln used both. I am still researching ... |
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06-05-2005, 05:04 PM
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#211 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | remember the G-2 just had a longer wingspan and nothing else. The Panzerstaffeln used both. I am still researching the last dark days of JG 7 with those altered R4M's. all I can say now is it was brutal when they let off a slavo agasint Soviet armor and then followed up with the 4 3cm weapons on MT and truppen.................Yikes  | 
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06-05-2005, 05:31 PM
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#212 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Hell yea. Actually the difference between the G-1 and G-2 were alittle more involved...
The G-1 was based on the 87D-3 airframe, while the G-2 was based on the D-5...
The differences between the 2 Dora models were deleted wing dive brakes, a wing with tapering and extension, fixed armament changed to 2x 20mm MG 151/20, reinforced ground observation panel in the cockpit floor, mass balanced ailerons, undercarriage jettison facility and a revised bomb rack...
From what ive read, the G-2 was slightly more manouverable than the G-1, and with the Stuka, the more the FREAKIN better....
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06-05-2005, 05:38 PM
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#213 | | the old Sage
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Country: | the G-1 and G-2 did not have dive brakes nor 2cm cannon as it was not needed. The diffence was a slight armor modifications around the cockpit and radio whichw as a abit more advnaced than the G-1. the D-3 and D-5 airframes did not have really much diffenrce either but did include armor where needed-increased and the 2cm guns. this is readily apparent on the nachtshclact D's used by these forces to bust up Soviet and Us/British crossroads traffic in 44-45. There was not D-7 nor D-8 variant. yes this is blowing the history books away that are covering the bird but it is fact. wish Matin Pegg would get his act together and publish his monument to the Ju 87 gruppen like he did the Hs 129 some years back | |
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06-05-2005, 05:54 PM
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#214 | | Minister of Whoopass
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the G-1 and G-2 did not have dive brakes nor 2cm cannon as it was not needed.
| I agree.... Anything that the G-2 added to increase my life expectancy and give me the ability to kill more of those flithy communists in their little tanks the better.... I mean seriously... I wish I could have had that bathtub of armor around me in my G-2 like the Hs-129 did... MAN! Quote: |
this is readily apparent on the nachtshclact D's used by these forces to bust up Soviet and Us/British crossroads traffic in 44-45.
| And man, what a job they did...... Those 37mm.... Bang bang bang...
God I love this video clip. Thanks to whoever posted it.......
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06-05-2005, 05:56 PM
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#215 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Les I cannot get mpegs for some stupid reason, can U get it into wmv file cause that I can open.
man I must be tired today after work my spelling really sucks | |
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06-05-2005, 05:58 PM
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#216 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Hmmm... lemme try. I dont have any program worth a crap for vid, but gimme a sec.
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06-05-2005, 06:17 PM
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#217 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | OK here ya go. try this...
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06-05-2005, 06:43 PM
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#218 | | the old Sage
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Country: | very good Les ! yes this is the file from Detusche Wocheschau that is suppose to be G's attacking JS 1's in Hungary. Well at least we see a Ju 87G attacking some thing and some derelict JS 1's but no apparent 3.7cm cannon round damage. typical propaganda footage but very cool anyway | |
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06-05-2005, 06:47 PM
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#219 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Yea, i was disapointed when there wasnt any real footage showing the JS2 gettin blasted, but i still love the clip none the less... The puffs of smoke and the sound.....
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06-05-2005, 06:52 PM
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#220 | | the old Sage
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Country: | well one day I will get the footage of some 4 Ju87 G's taking out 6 T-34's to post here. Again on the Deutsche Wochenschau footage
A steep angle of attack and down and up with the twin 37mm's tearing the heart out of these tanks. Again proving when caught out in the open with no mobil AA you are dead meat | |
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06-05-2005, 07:10 PM
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#221 | | Minister of Whoopass
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well one day I will get the footage of some 4 Ju87 G's taking out 6 T-34's to post here
| Hopefully sooner than later... Now ur gonna have me searching the internet trying to find it....... Quote: |
Again proving when caught out in the open with no mobil AA you are dead meat.
| But damn if them Russians didnt have a crap load of AA..... It seems like anything that could support a AA gun, did.... I remember, awhile ago, seeing this Russian truck with 4 AA weapons on it... Crazy....
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06-05-2005, 07:54 PM
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Country: | i think the IL-2 is one of the greatest tank killers, beacause of its cannon that could penetrate most tank armor. i also think that the ju-87 is a good one too. but i cant really debate beetween them. but beetween those two, i would pick the IL-2.
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06-05-2005, 08:00 PM
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Country: | i really dont think i can really debate. how many bombs can a IL-2 Carry?
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06-05-2005, 08:06 PM
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#224 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | You're right, les, the Soviets put AA on anything and everything that could carry it. Apart from their home grown hybrid designs they also had U.S delivered M16 AA GMCs (Quad .50s on a M5 Halftrack) 
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06-05-2005, 08:24 PM
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Country: | i like the ju too
why were the russians short of aa | |
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