 | Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued| Aviation Discuss Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued in the World War II - Aviation forums; I honestly don't know. They had great ideas of the principles of mobile warfare but they lacked everything but ... |
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06-05-2005, 08:35 PM
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Country:  | I honestly don't know. They had great ideas of the principles of mobile warfare but they lacked everything but the tank to put it into practice. They lacked mobile-AA and trucks! Both of which were largely supplied by the US and UK.
I assume because they had the largest air force in the world in 1941 they believed they could effectively hold air superiority. The Germans didn't begin designed mobile AA until they lost air superiority over the West. So, it's probably the same thing.
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06-05-2005, 08:37 PM
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Country:  | Ummm they werent...
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06-05-2005, 08:39 PM
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06-05-2005, 08:44 PM
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Country: | The Russians werent short of AA is what I meant...
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06-05-2005, 08:45 PM
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Country: | I thought he was talking about mobile AA. AA they had loads of and a hell of a mixture too!
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06-05-2005, 08:55 PM
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Country: | I really didnt understand what he was talking about... English second language thing.......
Everytime I start reading about ground attack missions in Russia and what not, there are always losses to groundfire... Always...
It really is amazing just how many German Aircraft were shot down by Russian AA gunners... I read somewhere that there was a Russian Gun Captain with over 100 aircraft to his credit... He died when a plane he shot down crashed into his gun bunker... Dont know if theres any truth to it, but i was a pretty good read.....
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06-05-2005, 09:01 PM
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Country: | Christ, that's quite a tally. The Soviets certainly stacked up the AA. Some of their mobile AA units were just trucks with an 85mm on the back. Who needs designs and drawings? There's a 5-ton truck, stick a gun on the back and BAM you've got a mobile AA.
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06-05-2005, 09:10 PM
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Country: | Hell yea..... Farm boys who have been shootin rabbits for 16 years are now firing at Stukas and -190's...
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06-05-2005, 09:19 PM
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Country: | the truck captain and crew is from old.....myth. I doubt more than 10 as he would of been gun fodder sooner or later. The typcial was a tri-Fla arrangement on the back of lend lease Ford truck flatbeds. the German schlachtgruppen loved to hammer these things into pieces knowing quite full well they were the biggest opponent to them not the mid altitude Soviet AF. Considering too with the lend-lease the Soviets single-handely defeated the German Wehrmacht................har har  | 
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06-05-2005, 09:27 PM
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the truck captain and crew is from old.....myth. I doubt more than 10 as he would of been gun fodder sooner or later.
| I would agree with u, but i read it from a so called "reliable" source..... Maybe propogandaish, but i believe that some may have gotten more than just 10....
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06-05-2005, 09:55 PM
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06-06-2005, 10:07 AM
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Country: | that's the thing, everyone always talks about russia's huge ammount of arms in WWII, the men were Russian, but people seem to forget that allot of their equiptment came from their allies........
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06-06-2005, 11:20 AM
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Country: | They were only mobilised because of the 506,000 trucks sent by the U.S. That's just one thing and it probably had the greatest impact on the Soviet war effort.
It wouldn't have been a mobile war if they they didn't have those trucks.
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06-06-2005, 12:04 PM
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#239 | | the old Sage
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Country: | how about all those Shermans as well with many becoming cannon fodder on the Ost front. The B-25 outstanding to anyting the Soviets could muster as to the way of a fast bomber. A sneeky and often deadly twin engine used at night | |
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06-06-2005, 08:07 PM
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Country: | i barely know much about russia. i usually pay attention to germans, americans, and japanese. i know quite a few things about those coutries. where did russia get there arms, other allies? or did they produce there own?
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