 | Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued| Aviation Discuss Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued in the World War II - Aviation forums; Nice pics CB And thats only a 30mm shell, dread to think what the BK 7,5 equipped variants done.... |
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06-20-2005, 10:34 AM
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#271 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Nice pics CB  And thats only a 30mm shell, dread to think what the BK 7,5 equipped variants done.
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06-20-2005, 01:19 PM
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#272 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus I think the concept of going into battle in a steel coffin to be reprehensible... Id rather be on my feet in a fire fight..... | Agreed you have hardly an escape rought.
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06-20-2005, 02:20 PM
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#273 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | obviously i have no cambat experience, but i, as i stand now, would proberly feel safer in a tank than on foot, especailly in a modern day situation where tanks are so much harder to destroy...........
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06-20-2005, 02:46 PM
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#274 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Not really. Tanks are a big target and the first thing the enemy tries to take out. In the present conditions such as Iraq even the M-1 Abrams is a pretty easy target to get. New RPG's are able to punch through its armor and even some of the road side bombs are getting through them.
Being said if you are on foot you are able to move around and hide more, the tank is just large of a target and everyone wants to get you.
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06-20-2005, 02:52 PM
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#275 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but atleast you wont get taken out by small arms fire 
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06-20-2005, 03:10 PM
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#276 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | True but that is the least of my worries in Iraq.
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06-20-2005, 06:03 PM
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#277 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | I was more concerned with morters, artillery, and RPGs than small arms fire..... I got my PH from a piece of shrapnel from an artillery round....
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06-21-2005, 05:09 AM
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#278 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah my biggest worry was RPG's. Everyone has one in there backyard!
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06-21-2005, 09:09 AM
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Country: | The tank has a presence that strikes fear into ill-trained combatants. The modern RPGs penertration values claim they can punch through the M1 Abrams, but it's just not true. The Abrams has to be hit several times before being destroy, I've seen many clips of Abrams pulling back on fire after being struck by three, four or five RPGs. The fact that they're pulling back means they're not knocked out and at least some of the crew are still alive.
The tank works in conjunction with the infantry, in the city situations like in Iraq the infantry should be clearing those backyards for the tanks to roll through. The tanks should only be called upon to destroy enemy strongholds from afar, like that M2 Bradley did in that video of Marines in Fallujah that les showed.
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06-21-2005, 01:04 PM
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#280 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D The tank has a presence that strikes fear into ill-trained combatants. The modern RPGs penertration values claim they can punch through the M1 Abrams, but it's just not true. | While I was there it happened twice that an M-1 was taken out by an RPG.
2 M-1's!
Here is a report on the Abrams armour. Quote:
Details of the M1 losses were given, including one where 25mm armour-piercing depleted uranium (AP-DU) rounds from an unidentified weapon disabled a US tank near Najaf after penetrating the engine compartment. Another Abrams was disabled near Karbala after a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) penetrated the rear engine compartment and one was lost in Baghdad after its external auxiliary power unit was set on fire by medium-calibre fire.
Left and right side non-ballistic skirts were repeatedly penetrated by anti-armour RPG fire, according to the report, but only cosmetic damage was caused when they were struck by anti-personnel RPG rounds. There were no reported hits on ballistic skirts and no reported instance of US tanks hitting an anti-tank mine. Turret ammunition blast doors worked as designed. In one documented instance where a turret-ready ammunition rack compartment was hit and main gun rounds ignited, the blast doors contained the explosion and crew survived unharmed except for fume inhalation.
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06-21-2005, 01:29 PM
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Country: | If it was one it was a lucky hit, or a very skillful hit. I'm not going to deny that it is possible but it is hard.
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06-21-2005, 03:49 PM
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#282 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Oh I agree with you 100%. However even the M-1 which is the best MBT out there is vulnerable to even RPG fire.
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06-21-2005, 03:52 PM
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#283 | | Senior Member
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Country: | That is the reason why close co-operation between infantry and armour is essential, especially in built up areas.
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06-21-2005, 04:24 PM
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#284 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That is true. That is one reason why the Blitzkrieg worked so well at first. The Germans were able to perfect the Panzer, Infantry and aerial support tactics of there armed forces. Ofcourse this only worked as long as you were able to keep moving fast.
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06-27-2005, 05:31 PM
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| For Best Tank Killer:
Germany - Focke Wulf FW 190F or Junkers Ju 87G (Twin 37mm) Stuka
Russia - IL-2 Stormovik
United Kingdom - Hawker Hurricane IID (Twin 40mm Vickers)
United States - Republic P-47D Thunderbolt
I know my lists is not good, but at least they destroyed several tanks well.
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