Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued - Page 22 - Aircraft of World War II

Erich · 07-02-2005, 01:17 PM

three barrel not four Les..........

the problem for the SG's is that the armored bathtub was not in sufficient numbers to be all over the Ost front. had the old biplanes been removed and replaced with the Henschel most likely Hell would of broken loose on the Soviet armored and MT forces. Same goes for replacement with the Ju 87G but the Junkers did not carry enough rounds. As I said the Mk 103 tungsten was effective enough and a lighter round than limited quantities of 37mm tungsten cores

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DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-02-2005, 03:50 PM

The Ju-87's were replaced by Fw-190 correct?

lesofprimus · 07-02-2005, 03:52 PM

Most were...

Erich · 07-02-2005, 04:30 PM

the 10th staffel or Panzerstaffel of each of the main, say 1-9 SG's had Ju 87G's. The main portion of the gruppes were heading over to Fw 190F's and a few G's with the Panzerblitz rockets. man they were ugly according to veterans.

The Ju 87 D-3 and 5 were the standard night ground attack in NSGr 1 and 2 and 9 and possibly 3 but I would have to check the data base.

lesofprimus · 07-02-2005, 04:42 PM

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The main portion of the gruppes were heading over to Fw 190F's and a few G's with the Panzerblitz rockets. man they were ugly according to veterans.

There are many stories of turrents flying 25 feet up into the air from those deadly Panzerblitz 190's.... One of the best Tank Destroyers for sure...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-02-2005, 05:23 PM

Fw-190 is deadly aircraft
Panzerblitz is more deadly
Panzerblitz 190's lead to many destroyed tanks they do......

Use the force young butcher, use the force.

I thought a little Yoda would help lighten up the subject.

Erich · 07-02-2005, 05:30 PM

the word Butcher is quite appropriate.

I did mention that the last month and 1/2 of the war that Me 262's of JG 7 were assigned out of Prague to attack Soviet vehicle/armor witha vengence by using the R4M with the Panzerschreck head. the carnage the jets inflicted will never truly be known as ground kills have never been shown for the I. and III. gruppes. I will say through pilot interviews it was just plain awful. One rocket hit striking a single motor transport tore it completely apart............

lesofprimus · 07-02-2005, 05:49 PM

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One rocket hit striking a single motor transport tore it completely apart............

And the soft skinned humans that were hiding inside said armoured vehicle...

Erich · 07-02-2005, 05:53 PM

don't even think about it Les..............

hey here is a neat profile, one of an aerial ace as well as a tank killer. From JG 7, Hermann Buchner's ride.......

ya know the more I think on this the Me 262A-1b may have been the best tank killer had there been time to fill the SG's with the required flying time and full support of enough jets for the gruppen. Think about the devastation of an armored column by just one staaffel of 18 jets coming in low and firing AT rockets

CharlesBronson · 07-02-2005, 06:32 PM

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Think about the devastation of an armored column by just one staaffel of 18 jets coming in low and firing AT rockets

A very scary vision indeed...

A Panther ausf A, hitted in his most vulnerable spot....the turret side armor.

Erich · 07-02-2005, 06:49 PM

target practice on an abandoned Panther. I have seen the pic some 10 years ago. note how close the rounds are to each other on the turret.

by the way it is an Ausf D not an A

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-03-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

don't even think about it Les..............

hey here is a neat profile, one of an aerial ace as well as a tank killer. From JG 7, Hermann Buchner's ride.......

ya know the more I think on this the Me 262A-1b may have been the best tank killer had there been time to fill the SG's with the required flying time and full support of enough jets for the gruppen. Think about the devastation of an armored column by just one staaffel of 18 jets coming in low and firing AT rockets

I might agree with you. Plus besides the rockets just the 4 cannons would be pretty menacing too.

plan_D · 07-03-2005, 07:25 PM

I can certainly see the potential in a Me-262A-1b but there's not enough coverage of their actions to bring them up to the top tank killers. I think a truthful coverage of their service would see them in the top light of tank killing.

I certainly would like to know more about their tank killing.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-03-2005, 07:38 PM

I agree it would be very interesting to know more.

Erich · 07-03-2005, 07:57 PM

yes besides the R4M's the 3cm's had AP and HE copmbinations.

At least 10 Il-2's were brought down the last two weeks of the war and many parked a/c were destroyed on forward fields

07-02-2005, 01:17 PM	#316
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	three barrel not four Les.......... the problem for the SG's is that the armored bathtub was not in sufficient numbers to be all over the Ost front. had the old biplanes been removed and replaced with the Henschel most likely Hell would of broken loose on the Soviet armored and MT forces. Same goes for replacement with the Ju 87G but the Junkers did not carry enough rounds. As I said the Mk 103 tungsten was effective enough and a lighter round than limited quantities of 37mm tungsten cores E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

07-02-2005, 03:50 PM	#317
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	The Ju-87's were replaced by Fw-190 correct? __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-02-2005, 03:52 PM	#318
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Most were... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

07-02-2005, 04:30 PM	#319
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	the 10th staffel or Panzerstaffel of each of the main, say 1-9 SG's had Ju 87G's. The main portion of the gruppes were heading over to Fw 190F's and a few G's with the Panzerblitz rockets. man they were ugly according to veterans. The Ju 87 D-3 and 5 were the standard night ground attack in NSGr 1 and 2 and 9 and possibly 3 but I would have to check the data base. __________________ Rip it up !

07-02-2005, 05:23 PM	#321
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Fw-190 is deadly aircraft Panzerblitz is more deadly Panzerblitz 190's lead to many destroyed tanks they do...... Use the force young butcher, use the force. I thought a little Yoda would help lighten up the subject. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-02-2005, 05:30 PM	#322
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	the word Butcher is quite appropriate. I did mention that the last month and 1/2 of the war that Me 262's of JG 7 were assigned out of Prague to attack Soviet vehicle/armor witha vengence by using the R4M with the Panzerschreck head. the carnage the jets inflicted will never truly be known as ground kills have never been shown for the I. and III. gruppes. I will say through pilot interviews it was just plain awful. One rocket hit striking a single motor transport tore it completely apart............ __________________ Rip it up !

07-02-2005, 06:49 PM	#326
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	target practice on an abandoned Panther. I have seen the pic some 10 years ago. note how close the rounds are to each other on the turret. by the way it is an Ausf D not an A __________________ Rip it up !

07-03-2005, 07:25 PM	#328
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I can certainly see the potential in a Me-262A-1b but there's not enough coverage of their actions to bring them up to the top tank killers. I think a truthful coverage of their service would see them in the top light of tank killing. I certainly would like to know more about their tank killing. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

07-03-2005, 07:38 PM	#329
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I agree it would be very interesting to know more. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-03-2005, 07:57 PM	#330
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	yes besides the R4M's the 3cm's had AP and HE copmbinations. At least 10 Il-2's were brought down the last two weeks of the war and many parked a/c were destroyed on forward fields __________________ Rip it up !

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