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09-14-2005, 12:45 PM
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#406 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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09-14-2005, 12:49 PM
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#407 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Don't defend him. He needs to learn to defend himself.
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09-14-2005, 01:43 PM
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#408 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Im not defending him, I was feeling sorry for him.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-14-2005, 01:57 PM
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#409 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Okay. We'll allow it.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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09-14-2005, 02:01 PM
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#410 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-19-2005, 07:04 AM
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#411 | | Senior Member
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| Seems to me that you have two types of Tank-Killers during WW2.
1. Close air support types/dedicated anti-armour types. Examples are IL2, Ju-87G, Hs-129, IL-10, Hurricane IV.
Generally characterised by heavy fixed weaponry, heavy armour for survivability, low top speeds and low service ceilings.
2. Fighter Bombers. Examples are Typhoon, Fw-190A/F/G, P-47D, P-38L, Bf-110G, Yak 9 .
Generally characterised by fast speed at low altitude, relatively solid construction, anti-tank armement is primarily expendable munitions (bombs, rockets, napalm, bomblets), but fixed armament is usually quite heavy (up to 45mm for some YAk-9 variants).
It seems to me that you are not really comparing like things. Dedicated anti-tank aircraft can't really be put up against fighter-bombers. The question is, as a commander, if you had to choose, what would you go for?
1. A dedicated anti-armour platform is far more vulnerable to AAA and fighters, but more likely to cause havoc on the battlefield.
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2. A fighter-bomber can protect itself better with its speed and manouervability, but is less able as a anti-armour platform. | |
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09-19-2005, 11:55 AM
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#412 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Personally, id have Fighter-Bombers.
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09-21-2005, 02:12 PM
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#413 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | what about tank destroyers with fighter escort??
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09-23-2005, 06:29 AM
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#414 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Id personally go with figher bombers. They pack a punch against tanks and ground forces and can defend themselves.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-23-2005, 12:00 PM
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#415 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | a small notation, SG 2's Panzerstaffel with Ju 87G-1's had the other staffeln of Fw 190A-8's as high cover so yes at least with this unit there was a protective screen against Soviet incursions while Rüdel and his boyz pounded anything they found crawling on the cground. SG 77's Panzerstaffel had the same type of "high" protection as well. | |
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09-23-2005, 01:57 PM
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#416 | | Senior Member
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| Still I agree that the GAF's 75mm on either a dedicated TK or on a ad-hoc design was a killer combination. It made a crappy plane such as the 129 into a cult classic since not many people know about it. All I can say is if the 129 could do what it did to Stalin tanks imagine, if the western Allies had no air supremacy, what it would have done to Shermans, Cromwells, and Churchills. I don't think even a Pershing would have fared well.
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09-23-2005, 03:03 PM
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#417 | | the old Sage
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Country: | the Hs 129 was not a crappy plane, its Mk 103 3cm took out any existing Soviet tank in the war. the 7.5cm was a total joke, jamming, too heavy pilot could not aim properly and the aerodynamics was totally laughable. this was a carry over to the Ju 88 and proposed 188 variants with the similiar weapon.
Stick with the tried and proven and the 3cm and 3.7cm's were outstanding including the tungsten cored ammo | |
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09-23-2005, 04:50 PM
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#418 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | The Hs-129 was also equipped with the 37mm that the Ju-87G's used.... I can only imagine what if they put decent engines on the -129 and put them into service in greater numbers....
ALOT of burning Russian tanks......
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09-24-2005, 12:12 PM
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#419 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That was really its only limiting factor were those damn French engines.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-27-2005, 08:34 AM
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#420 | | Banned
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| P-47's and P-38's still win this catagory. These planes, when armed with napalm, were the most effective tank killers of the war.
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