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10-24-2006, 10:34 PM
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Country:  | I think hes talking about its Air to Ground capability's
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10-25-2006, 08:59 AM
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#692 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | It was not far superior to the Fw-190F in air to ground capability.
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10-25-2006, 02:12 PM
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#693 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | i wasn't i was comparing them in the dedicated anti-tank role, i said the Mk.IID was superior for the simple reason it was a dedicated tank-buster and as such the -190F shouldn't be in a dedicated tank-buster's dicussion on account of the fact the F series was a ground attack/anti-shipping series, if you get where i'm coming from, which it appears, as ever, no one does 
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10-26-2006, 02:23 PM
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Country: | Tanks drive on the ground, shipping sail on water (surface) so you could say air to ground or air to surface otherwise its pretty much the same thing, now i do know that they made certain planes back then for one purpose, but the Typhoon, the Il 2 Sturmivok, hurricane IID / IV, the Stuka or the 190-f doesnt matter what they were built for they were used for bombing not just tanks
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10-26-2006, 02:30 PM
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#695 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Exactly Hussars. For the first time I think we are agreeing on something here.
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10-27-2006, 01:11 PM
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but back to what i was originally saying, the Typhoon was the main CAS aircraft in the RAF and RCAF during the french,Dutch and German campaign and it did an excellent job, and i got to tell you this is the first time ive ever heard bad things about the Typhoons arsenal, ive heard personally from veteran RCAF pilots that they preferred the rocket load due to the fact that they could spend more time flying their plane then instead of concentrating on aiming and assuming where a bomb is gonna go, and i do know that rockets naturally are very innaccurate weapons, but these Typhoon pilots destroyed alot of Panzers with those rockets.
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10-27-2006, 11:43 PM
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#697 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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10-28-2006, 06:54 AM
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10-28-2006, 07:58 AM
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Country: | Somewhere I have seen stats that state that only about 2% I think of rockets fires by Tiffies actually ever did any damage - the rest was psychological, as with the Ju87b.
Johnnie Johmson says in "Wing Leader" that his people were highly hacked off when they were kitted out with rockets on their Spits, and that they much preferred having two 250lb bombs each.
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10-28-2006, 07:58 AM
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#700 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeap it was armed with 37mm FLAK 18 which was actually an anti aircraft gun.
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10-28-2006, 08:03 AM
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#701 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by ndicki  Somewhere I have seen stats that state that only about 2% I think of rockets fires by Tiffies actually ever did any damage - the rest was psychological, as with the Ju87b. | I have seen the same.
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10-28-2006, 08:16 AM
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Country: | If you want to try it in any simulator (as opposed to arcade game), you have to come to the conclusion that those figures can't be far off.
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10-28-2006, 08:26 AM
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Country:  | Yea agreed here as well nd.... Its not easy to have pinpoint accuracy with rockets when the damn AAA is all over u as well... Very low launch to hit ratio...
However, from available information, the Germans using the Panzerblitz armed 190's had a much higher chance to hit %... Not sure why tho... Erich could probably throw up some info here....
The amount of armour that was supposedly destroyed at Normany by the Tiffys has been completely exaggerated to the point of insanity... Erich had posted some statistical info in the past concerning this...
As far a simulators go, there seems to be no better tank buster in the IL-2 series of games next to the Yak-9K with that basterdous 45mm cannon in the hub... Kills everything except the Ferdinand...
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10-29-2006, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet What are you talking about the Fw-190 was a better aircraft in all catagories when compared to the Hurricane....any mark. | As a fighter plane the Fw 190 certainly completely outclassed the Hurricane, no question. But the Hurricane IID and IV were much better at knocking out tanks because their 40mm cannon had vastly superior accuracy to any rocket or bomb, and had the punch to penetrate the rear or side armour of the Pz IV.
While the Hurris were vulnerable to flak and fighters, they wreaked havoc on any tank columns they found in North Africa. Only the Tigers were fairly safe from them.
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10-29-2006, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus The amount of armour that was supposedly destroyed at Normany by the Tiffys has been completely exaggerated to the point of insanity... Erich had posted some statistical info in the past concerning this... | The RAF and USAAF CAS units claimed about ten times the number of tanks that were actually knocked out, according to Allied Operational Research. Quote: |
As far a simulators go, there seems to be no better tank buster in the IL-2 series of games next to the Yak-9K with that basterdous 45mm cannon in the hub... Kills everything except the Ferdinand...
| But these planes were actually used as fighters and carried HE ammunition - not much use against tanks.
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