Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued

[plan_D]

Many different viewpoints that all revolve around "I'm better than you! Hahaha!"

[exec228]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Noob...

nothing to do, except expulcing malice on me?

[exec228]

Originally Posted by Erich

one shot one kill, same as a 3.7cm tungsten round at the right spot. consider the fashion of attack low down and mean unlike the up and then bank down into it by the Tempest.

i consider fashion of spraying with rare hits, probably even without.

Originally Posted by Erich

Ratios ? who gives a rats ass

of course you don't.
shooting is more important than hitting.

Originally Posted by Erich

you still have not answered correctly exec about your supposed unseeness, and your smart ass comment(s) will not get you any brownie points...........wonder if you are viewing these forums on company time ?

why should i report my actions?
i'm free to act under rules.

[102first_hussars]

Originally Posted by exec228

nothing to do, except expulcing malice on me?

Hey we got a live Meatball here Les!

[exec228]

1.my joke about tanks was not understood. it was reacted quite aggressively.
2.then heavyweight people don't want to talk constructively.
so, where is my guilt?

i'm trying to ask kinda respectable member about effectiveness of f-8/pb1, and he makes me think that he just believes f-8/pb1 to be an effective panzer killer and invites me to join this imagination.

i'd be very sad if this beliefth is not backed up with some IRL reports about hit ratio.

because i know that pilots of il-2 in combat conditions could not achieve satisfactory results with brs-82 and brs-132 (though these rockets are destructive enough for panzers WHEN HIT SCORED).

also, mr. Williams confirmed low effectiveness of RP's when said that tiffies could hardly hit such a small target, which the panzer is.

that is why i am really interested in expert opinion of lw effectiveness of rockets vs tanks, when other airforces did not enjoyed it.

afaik principal decision was to use cluster of cumulative bomblets, such as "PTAB 2.5-1.5" for Il-2, which could penetrate 70mm of armour. Il-2 could take 192 of these 1.5kg HEAT bomblets and cover 30mx200m with one drop. none of tanks survived in this area.

use of cumas was quite shocking and made wehrmacht to deconcentrate tanks to reduce casualties, thus sensibly reducing punch force of panzer divisions.

afair both il-2 and ju 87 used clusters of cumulative bombs.

[Nicodemus]

Trying to get into the discussion here

Erich, do you have any more info on Panzerblitz actions in 1944-45, especially concerning Fw 190F-8 units of SG 1? I have some interesting pictures in Word documents, but I can't get them on the forum yet. Anyway, if you or someone else has any info at all on Panzerblitz Fw 190s post it rightaway.

[Erich]

getting back to Herr Fischer that flew the F-8 mit Panzerblitz, translated and sent to me from Germany

Blitz of Pommern":

Siegfried Fischer
Oberfeldwebel
Born 27.11.1918 in Pommerndorf (Kreis Hohenelbe/Sudetenland)

RK 28.02.1945 as Oberfeldwebel after 670 combat missions (Feindflüge)

Since February 1941 in Sicily with 6.St.G1. First Feindflug on 15.04.1941 from Trapani against a British naval formation near Malta. Since june in Russia where he fought on almost every focal point and distinguished himself. His units were 6.St.G. 1, then 5. Staffel(July 1943-April 1944), 8./SG 1 (May 1944-February 1945) 9./SG 1 (March - April 1945). He was specialized in bridge destruction and he destroyed about 30 important bridges. Amongst them the "Rollbahn" -bridge west of Smolensk (Pocket of Smolensk), Ukra bridge near Juchnow and the Wolga bridge near Rschew.

Since autumn 1944 he achieve large success in Westpreußen-Pommern against tanks with his Fw 190 equipped with tank breaking (armour piercing?) rockets and bombs. These actions earned him the name "Blitz von Pommern". One day he shot down 2 enemy a/c when he was still fully loaded and afterwards he destroyed 4 tanks on the same mission. Repeatedly he landed behind enemy lines and rescued own crews

He was shot down behind enemy lines several times. On 08.08.1941 he was hit near Weliki Luki about 5km in hostile territory. he managed to take the parachute and despite severe burns he reached the own lines. One time he was downed 30 km behind the HKL, but he and his Bordfunker Anton Kraus fought their way back to the own troops. On 17.04.1945 he was shot down by Flak, took his para but was severely wounded and transported to a military hospital. From 21.04.1945 until 18.09.1946 he was (wounded) in soviet captivity.

All in all 713 combat missions, 123 thereof on Fw 190. 12 times shot down. He achieved 15 aerial victories, knocked out 80 tanks and participated in the destruction of a submarine near Malta.

[lesofprimus]

Very interesting and extremely tantilizing Erich my friend... The only real info I know of is concerned with Schlachtgeschwader 77...

[marlin]

Someone here mentioned the Beaufighter as being a credible tank killer. Where and when would that have been ? Do they want to justify that comment ?
Marlin

[lesofprimus]

Originally Posted by marlin

Someone here mentioned the Beaufighter as being a credible tank killer. Where and when would that have been ? Do they want to justify that comment ?

Whoever said it obviously had their crack pipe in their mouth...

[Jabberwocky]

The Beaufighter was used as a tank killer in the CBI theatre with some effect, although there wasn't a significant amount of Japanese armour for it to destroy.

The Beau could take 8 x 60 lbs RPs or 2 x 500lbs, but against light armour, such as Japanese tanks, the nose mounted 4 x 20mm were enough to gaurantee a kill.

Beaus scored kills against Japanese half traks, command vehicles and the like around Imphal and in Burma. can't find any confirmed kills of tanks, but there are accounts of Beaufighters straffing columns which included armour.

If I was going to ground straff, the 4 x 20mm and 6 x .303 of the Beau would be about the most fearsome combination of the entire war. Something like 120 rounds per second

[Bullo Loris]

Hi, for me the best is Hawker Tempest.

Bullo Loris

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Bullo Loris I have a question for you. Are you a member of the Warbirds Resource Group? If you are not, do you have permission to use there banner.

[lesofprimus]

The Tempest as the best Tank Killer???

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

The Tempest as the best Tank Killer???

Les thanks for making me laugh on a daily basis