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11-03-2007, 02:14 PM
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11-03-2007, 02:51 PM
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02-19-2008, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lightning Guy  All in all, the Il-2 was less vulnerable that the Ju-87G and considerably better armed. | Not as easy to fly though and nowhere near as versatile, but a hell of a lot more boring.... | |
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02-19-2008, 05:41 PM
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Country: | The Stuka started the war, the Sturmovik finished it.... but the Stuka operated in all theatres of operations and was used by more nations than any other aircraft, including the Russians, albeit in a research capacity... which, if ultimately not the best, certainly the most feared and loved tank killer.. | |
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02-19-2008, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stukazoo The Stuka started the war, the Sturmovik finished it.... but the Stuka operated in all theatres of operations and was used by more nations than any other aircraft, including the Russians, albeit in a research capacity... which, if ultimately not the best, certainly the most feared and loved tank killer.. | When did the Russians use it? Was it before the treaty was broken by Hitler?
This is from wiki and I am not totally relying on it. This is what "they" say
Operators
Bulgaria
Bulgarian Air Force
Czechoslovakia
Czechoslovakian Air Force operated captured aircraft postwar.
Germany
Luftwaffe
Hungary
Hungarian Air Force
Italy
Regia Aeronautica
Japan
Imperial Japanese Army Air Force received Ju 87s for trials.
Romania
Romanian Air Force
Slovak Republic
Slovak Air Force
Yugoslavia
SFR Yugoslav Air Force operated captured aircraft postwar.
UK
Operated a few captured aircraft[38]
USA
Operated a few captured aircraft[39]
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02-19-2008, 05:46 PM
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02-19-2008, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by B-17engineer Is wiki wrong here? | According to Manfred Griehl's excellent Junkers JU87 Stuka (Airlife 2001) pg 154..
"At least one JU 87 A-1 was delivered, along with a few other combat aircraft, to the USSR in 1940 and served at the test centre, TsAGI, for a detailed investigation and performance testing"
I wondered why the Sturmovik was so similar in appearance to the Stuka....
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02-19-2008, 06:00 PM
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Blast those yellow reds to hell
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02-19-2008, 06:04 PM
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Trying to find some info on Horst Woltersforf's Dornier 215 partially recovered recently off the coast of the Netherlands.. recommend any threads?
I've been in touch with the recovery company but they only had a partial idenfication of the unit code G9+?M ... see, Wiki is also useful 
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02-19-2008, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Stukazoo I wondered why the Sturmovik was so similar in appearance to the Stuka.... | It isn't. About the only thing they have in common is that the engine is at the front, with the pilot behind it  In other words, they are no more similar than the vast majority of WW2 single-engined combat planes.
The prototype Il-2 first flew in October 1939, before the Russians received a Ju-87.
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02-20-2008, 07:32 AM
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#821 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by B-17engineer Is wiki wrong here? | Never use Wikipedia as a golden source! It can be rewritten by anyone and is allways full of mistakes.
Wiki is good to use as a quick source but you have to be careful with it.
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02-22-2008, 02:45 AM
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Country: | Well, I don't care what you guys came up with, I say the Sturmovik delivered a heavy punch, while providing superior protection to the occupants from ground fire.
...however, has anyone compared the P-39/P-63's role in the "Great Patriotic War" against the Sturmo or the Stuka?
I think the Bell's were faster and more agile, and that big 37 in the nose gave it a pretty hard punch, too.
I also understand the P-38's were wonderful ground strafing machines, due (in part) to the 20mm cannon they carried.
However, for tanks, I don't know.
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02-22-2008, 04:55 AM
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Well, I don't care what you guys came up with, I say the Sturmovik delivered a heavy punch
| Well then, if u dont care what WE guys think about the subject, why the fu*k are u here in the first place???? I suppose ur vast knowledge of the subject makes u a much more qualified source of information....
Is that it???
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02-22-2008, 05:32 AM
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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02-22-2008, 06:10 AM
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Blast those yellow reds to hell
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Haven't they heard we won the war
What do they keep on fighting for?" | |
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