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kool kitty89 · 06-03-2008, 05:50 PM

There were also the 500 g HE/AP MK-103 round with a mch lower velocity. But that doesn't seem to have been the standard loading.

An introduction to collecting 30 mm cannon ammunition

According to the chart the 355g AP round also has the highest Muzzel energy of the MK-101/103 30x184B rounds.

kool kitty89 · 06-04-2008, 01:15 AM

Something interesting to note in that previous quote I posted with the P-47 pics. (from an Il-2 gaming forum). I didn't know about Robert S. Johnson's P-47C being repaired and issued to the 9th AF. And after being shot up with 21x 20mm HE cannon shells and hundreds of 7.92mm rounds.

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Lt. Robert S Johnson. Lawton, OK. 61st Fighter Squadron. P-47C 41-6235 HV-P "Half Pint". Detail shot of damage to canopy area

Lt. Robert S Johnson. Lawton, OK. 61st Fighter Squadron. P-47C 41-6235 HV-P "Half Pint". Well known photo but worth looking at again as contrary to popular belief, this a/c was not written of but repaired and issued to the 9th AF's 36th FG where it was finally lost on 18 August 1944.

tpikdave · 06-05-2008, 11:58 PM

I have a 30 mike-mike shell from an A10 magazine sitting on my shelf in my computer room. It was given to me by a tech at Nellis AFB. Of course it has a blue (for practice/inert) projectile, but its still a prized possesion along with three "hand signed" TBird photos.

JugBR · 06-26-2008, 07:16 AM

i dont know if it is nazi propaganda or true, but i´ve heard about stukas being a very psicologycal weapon also. by its engine´s noise when diving.

there´s an extensive services record of these planes in easter front and many german aces flew the stuka.

but i believe the "black death" besides of being a miserable plane, must have some credit, because it killed panzers and people says panzers was hard to kill. also they had faced some flaks, wich also was a real terror of allied planes like the jugs when designated for ground attacks

lesofprimus · 06-26-2008, 06:53 PM

Oh for Christsakes sakes dude, atleast get something right in ur post...

The screaming sound of the Stuka in a dive was from these small propellers mounted on the landing gear strut, not from the engine....

And last time I checked, the Stuka was a German plane, and Panzers were German as well, so............ Go read some old posts here and get urself edumacated........

JugBR · 06-27-2008, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JugBR

but i believe the "black death" besides of being a miserable plane, must have some credit, because it killed panzers and people says panzers was hard to kill. also they had faced some flaks, wich also was a real terror of allied planes like the jugs when designated for ground attacks

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Oh for Christsakes sakes dude, atleast get something right in ur post...

The screaming sound of the Stuka in a dive was from these small propellers mounted on the landing gear strut, not from the engine....

And last time I checked, the Stuka was a German plane, and Panzers were German as well, so............ Go read some old posts here and get urself edumacated........

ok ! lollll

Ki-43-I Hayabusa · 07-17-2008, 04:26 PM

Hello.
I don´t know if the small props on the landing-gear on the JU-87 Stuka produce the screaming sound if the plane dives, but i know the german name for this system: "Jericho-Sirenen" (roughly translated "Trumpets of Jericho").
In the first years of the war, these planes have a high psychologic effect on the enemy. My grandfather fought in Poland, France and Russia and told my grandma that he was sometimes a eyewitness when Stuka´s dived, after they drop there bombs on enemy fortifications, again with screaming "Jericho-Sirenen" down on the enemy which run away because the sound of the "Jericho-Sirenen" makes them insane.

Sorry for my bad english.

JugBR · 07-17-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki-43-I Hayabusa

Hello.
I don´t know if the small props on the landing-gear on the JU-87 Stuka produce the screaming sound if the plane dives, but i know the german name for this system: "Jericho-Sirenen" (roughly translated "Trumpets of Jericho").
In the first years of the war, these planes have a high psychologic effect on the enemy. My grandfather fought in Poland, France and Russia and told my grandma that he was sometimes a eyewitness when Stuka´s dived, after they drop there bombs on enemy fortifications, again with screaming "Jericho-Sirenen" down on the enemy which run away because the sound of the "Jericho-Sirenen" makes them insane.

Sorry for my bad english.

stuka was a very tactical weapon and also psycological used by luftwaffe, i wish see some image of that trumpets of jericoh, the noise is really impressive, i can figure how does people in the ground should be scared when listen that sound

lesofprimus · 07-17-2008, 05:42 PM

And this has ZERO bearing on the conversation of Tank Busting, as the Ju 87G models had these small propleers removed....

kool kitty89 · 07-17-2008, 07:15 PM

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/wea...ice-11598.html (Jericho device)

Anyway It's different from the Stuka's siren.

Ki-43-I Hayabusa · 07-19-2008, 02:15 PM

@ Lesofprimus.
Recently, I see on a photo in a german A/C-Magazine that these props are even removed on the JU-87-D STUKA. Maybe there aren´t the "Trumpets of Jericho"? I think my dad tell´s me one time when i was a boy those system was sometimes described as "Motorsirene" (enginesirene)!

JugBR · 07-20-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ki-43-I Hayabusa

@ Lesofprimus.
Recently, I see on a photo in a german A/C-Magazine that these props are even removed on the JU-87-D STUKA. Maybe there aren´t the "Trumpets of Jericho"? I think my dad tell´s me one time when i was a boy those system was sometimes described as "Motorsirene" (enginesirene)!

but these props makes noise by its movement against the stream or did they converts some power for an eletrical motorsirene ?

Ki-43-I Hayabusa · 07-20-2008, 01:14 PM

@ JugBR
I don´t know. I ask this question in another, german forum, maybe i get an answer.

BIG BIRD · 08-31-2008, 11:12 PM

The il-2 destroyed more tanks than any other plane, tank, anti tank, tank destroyer ect. I think thats grounds for the best tank destroyer of world war two.

kool kitty89 · 08-31-2008, 11:22 PM

It was also produced in greater numbers than any other combat aircraft in history -36,000+ built. (though the Bf 109 is a close second at ~35,000)

06-05-2008, 11:58 PM	#948
tpikdave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 380	I have a 30 mike-mike shell from an A10 magazine sitting on my shelf in my computer room. It was given to me by a tech at Nellis AFB. Of course it has a blue (for practice/inert) projectile, but its still a prized possesion along with three "hand signed" TBird photos. __________________ "We sleep safely in ours beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell

06-26-2008, 07:16 AM	#949
JugBR Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Campinas - SP Posts: 1,102	i dont know if it is nazi propaganda or true, but i´ve heard about stukas being a very psicologycal weapon also. by its engine´s noise when diving. there´s an extensive services record of these planes in easter front and many german aces flew the stuka. but i believe the "black death" besides of being a miserable plane, must have some credit, because it killed panzers and people says panzers was hard to kill. also they had faced some flaks, wich also was a real terror of allied planes like the jugs when designated for ground attacks __________________

06-26-2008, 06:53 PM	#950
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,461	Oh for Christsakes sakes dude, atleast get something right in ur post... The screaming sound of the Stuka in a dive was from these small propellers mounted on the landing gear strut, not from the engine.... And last time I checked, the Stuka was a German plane, and Panzers were German as well, so............ Go read some old posts here and get urself edumacated........ __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

07-17-2008, 05:42 PM	#954
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,461	And this has ZERO bearing on the conversation of Tank Busting, as the Ju 87G models had these small propleers removed.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

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06-03-2008, 05:50 PM	#946
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	There were also the 500 g HE/AP MK-103 round with a mch lower velocity. But that doesn't seem to have been the standard loading. An introduction to collecting 30 mm cannon ammunition According to the chart the 355g AP round also has the highest Muzzel energy of the MK-101/103 30x184B rounds.

07-17-2008, 04:26 PM	#952
Ki-43-I Hayabusa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kaisersbach near Stuttgart Posts: 14	Hello. I don´t know if the small props on the landing-gear on the JU-87 Stuka produce the screaming sound if the plane dives, but i know the german name for this system: "Jericho-Sirenen" (roughly translated "Trumpets of Jericho"). In the first years of the war, these planes have a high psychologic effect on the enemy. My grandfather fought in Poland, France and Russia and told my grandma that he was sometimes a eyewitness when Stuka´s dived, after they drop there bombs on enemy fortifications, again with screaming "Jericho-Sirenen" down on the enemy which run away because the sound of the "Jericho-Sirenen" makes them insane. Sorry for my bad english.

07-17-2008, 07:15 PM	#955
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/wea...ice-11598.html (Jericho device) Anyway It's different from the Stuka's siren.

07-19-2008, 02:15 PM	#956
Ki-43-I Hayabusa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kaisersbach near Stuttgart Posts: 14	@ Lesofprimus. Recently, I see on a photo in a german A/C-Magazine that these props are even removed on the JU-87-D STUKA. Maybe there aren´t the "Trumpets of Jericho"? I think my dad tell´s me one time when i was a boy those system was sometimes described as "Motorsirene" (enginesirene)!

07-20-2008, 01:14 PM	#958
Ki-43-I Hayabusa Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kaisersbach near Stuttgart Posts: 14	@ JugBR I don´t know. I ask this question in another, german forum, maybe i get an answer.

08-31-2008, 11:12 PM	#959
BIG BIRD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: broomfield, colo. Posts: 47	The il-2 destroyed more tanks than any other plane, tank, anti tank, tank destroyer ect. I think thats grounds for the best tank destroyer of world war two.

08-31-2008, 11:22 PM	#960
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	It was also produced in greater numbers than any other combat aircraft in history -36,000+ built. (though the Bf 109 is a close second at ~35,000)