Best Tank Killer of WW2 continued - Page 71 - Aircraft of World War II

davebender · 03-23-2009, 05:59 PM

Bramo 323 Engine
Bramo 323 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Length. 1,420mm
Diameter. 1,388mm
Weight. 550 kg.
1,000 hp
5,500 engines produced.

P&W R-1830 Engine
Pratt & Whitney R-1830 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Length. 1,500mm
Diameter. 1,220mm
Weight. 567 kg
1,200 hp.
173,618 engins produced.

The P&W R-1830 produces 20% more HP yet is significantly smaller in diameter. Compact size is important for a small aircraft like the Hs-129.

Most German aircraft manufacturers preferred the obsolecent BMW132 over the Bramo 323. That says a lot about mechanical reliability, ease of maintenance and other such things that aren't apparent in the statistics.

Ibuki · 03-24-2009, 04:14 AM

Not WWII, but definitely tank busting:
http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/to...arch_study.pdf
Page 36. Against North Korea tanks napalm was most effective weapon. It killed more than artillery and UN tank fire. First war when air power dominated tanks.

Clay_Allison · 03-25-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibuki

Not WWII, but definitely tank busting:
http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/to...arch_study.pdf
Page 36. Against North Korea tanks napalm was most effective weapon. It killed more than artillery and UN tank fire. First war when air power dominated tanks.

We should have made up some napalm bombs for the P-47.

davebender · 03-25-2009, 08:22 PM

When did anti tank cluster bombs enter service?

tomo pauk · 03-26-2009, 03:53 AM

In 1943, from here:

PTAB - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually, PTABs were dropped from dispensers, but methinks that´s it.

davebender · 03-26-2009, 07:25 AM

Close enough to a cluster bomb for my purposes. I suspect this weapon worked great for killing both armor and soft targets. Just like the modern day Rockeye.
CBU-100 Cluster Bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

davebender · 03-26-2009, 08:11 AM

www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org - Luftwaffe Resource Center - Bomb Annex
Apparently the Luftwaffe had a whole family of cluster munitions. The SD4 HL anti armor bomblet was one of the options. This allows any aircraft capable of carrying an AB250 munition container to kill armor.

Elvis · 03-29-2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay_Allison

We should have made up some napalm bombs for the P-47.

Wait a minute....isn't Napalm an invention of WWII?
I think we used it, to some degree, during the Pacific Island hopping campaigns.

Elvis

davebender · 03-29-2009, 07:40 PM

Dropping canisters filled with thickened gasoline (i.e. napalm) is a WWII innovation. However thickened gasoline was invented during WWI for use in flamethrowers. It's also used in Molotov cocktails and various improvised flame devices. Very simple stuff to make.

Elvis · 03-30-2009, 01:26 PM

Ah, I see.
I didn't realize the concept went back that far.
Thanks for the info.

Elvis

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-30-2009, 01:33 PM

I believe the first real use of "thickened" gasoline as you call it was by the Germans in WWI. As you stated though the US was the first to use Napalm Bombs dropped from aircraft.

BombTaxi · 03-30-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibuki

First war when air power dominated tanks.

I would beg to differ. The actions in Normandy (particularly the neutralization of the Falaise pocket, and the Battle of the Bulge showed the devastating potential of airpower as a tool against armour. I would go so far as to argue it was the beginning of the end for the tank as the dominant ground-based weapon system. The Typhoon and P-47 were the primary tankbusters of these campaigns, but the RAF also demonstrated that medium to low altitude bombing by heavy bomers (specifically Lancasters), was also devastating against armour. The idea was discontinued due to tragic Allied losses caused by the lack of precision bombsights and the inexperience of Bomber Command crews in the CAS role. Had this not been the case, the tactic could have proved truly devastating.

tomo pauk · 03-30-2009, 03:39 PM

Any info about the numbers of tanks destroyed by the P-47 and Typhoon during those battles, BombTaxi? And if it's not too much of trouble, how many sorties were flown for those acomplisments?

davebender · 03-30-2009, 03:42 PM

That's exactly what it is. I made some of the stuff when in army training. Pour fuel thickener or powdered laundry soap into a container of gasoline and stir it up. In a couple minutes it's ready for use. Flamethrower fuel uses less thickener as it must remain liquid to squirt through the hose. Napalm is more like jelly.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-30-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davebender

That's exactly what it is. I made some of the stuff when in army training. Pour fuel thickener or powdered laundry soap into a container of gasoline and stir it up. In a couple minutes it's ready for use. Flamethrower fuel uses less thickener as it must remain liquid to squirt through the hose. Napalm is more like jelly.

Yes I know what it is. I just have never called it thickened gas or heard it called that way. That is why I said "as you call i".

03-23-2009, 05:59 PM	#1051
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	Bramo 323 was not bad Bramo 323 Engine Bramo 323 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Length. 1,420mm Diameter. 1,388mm Weight. 550 kg. 1,000 hp 5,500 engines produced. P&W R-1830 Engine Pratt & Whitney R-1830 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Length. 1,500mm Diameter. 1,220mm Weight. 567 kg 1,200 hp. 173,618 engins produced. The P&W R-1830 produces 20% more HP yet is significantly smaller in diameter. Compact size is important for a small aircraft like the Hs-129. Most German aircraft manufacturers preferred the obsolecent BMW132 over the Bramo 323. That says a lot about mechanical reliability, ease of maintenance and other such things that aren't apparent in the statistics.

03-24-2009, 04:14 AM	#1052
Ibuki Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4	Not WWII, but definitely tank busting: http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/to...arch_study.pdf Page 36. Against North Korea tanks napalm was most effective weapon. It killed more than artillery and UN tank fire. First war when air power dominated tanks. Last edited by Ibuki; 03-24-2009 at 04:22 AM.

03-25-2009, 08:22 PM	#1054
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	Napalm was most effective weapon When did anti tank cluster bombs enter service?

03-26-2009, 03:53 AM	#1055
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 898	In 1943, from here: PTAB - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Actually, PTABs were dropped from dispensers, but methinks that´s it. __________________

03-26-2009, 07:25 AM	#1056
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	PTABs were dropped from dispensers Close enough to a cluster bomb for my purposes. I suspect this weapon worked great for killing both armor and soft targets. Just like the modern day Rockeye. CBU-100 Cluster Bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03-26-2009, 08:11 AM	#1057
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	German Cluster Bombs www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org - Luftwaffe Resource Center - Bomb Annex Apparently the Luftwaffe had a whole family of cluster munitions. The SD4 HL anti armor bomblet was one of the options. This allows any aircraft capable of carrying an AB250 munition container to kill armor.

03-29-2009, 07:40 PM	#1059
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	Isn't Napalm an invention of WWII? Dropping canisters filled with thickened gasoline (i.e. napalm) is a WWII innovation. However thickened gasoline was invented during WWI for use in flamethrowers. It's also used in Molotov cocktails and various improvised flame devices. Very simple stuff to make.

03-30-2009, 01:26 PM	#1060
Elvis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little Norway, U.S.A. Posts: 816	Ah, I see. I didn't realize the concept went back that far. Thanks for the info. Elvis

03-30-2009, 01:33 PM	#1061
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,086	I believe the first real use of "thickened" gasoline as you call it was by the Germans in WWI. As you stated though the US was the first to use Napalm Bombs dropped from aircraft. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

03-30-2009, 03:39 PM	#1063
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 898	Any info about the numbers of tanks destroyed by the P-47 and Typhoon during those battles, BombTaxi? And if it's not too much of trouble, how many sorties were flown for those acomplisments? __________________

03-30-2009, 03:42 PM	#1064
davebender Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 917	Thickened gasoline as you call it That's exactly what it is. I made some of the stuff when in army training. Pour fuel thickener or powdered laundry soap into a container of gasoline and stir it up. In a couple minutes it's ready for use. Flamethrower fuel uses less thickener as it must remain liquid to squirt through the hose. Napalm is more like jelly.

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