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09-17-2006, 07:28 AM
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#271 | | Der Crewchief
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Damn Lanc that cracked me up for some reason!
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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09-17-2006, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks *** have a friggin' biscuit.......... | Sure he would rather have a cookie...
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09-20-2006, 05:01 PM
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09-20-2006, 05:19 PM
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#274 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-20-2006, 05:19 PM
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#275 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-21-2006, 02:15 PM
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09-22-2006, 10:13 PM
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#277 | | Junior Member
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Marcel Bloch MB.157 
Year deployed - 1942 (built in 1940)
Wing span, m - 10.70
Lenght, m - 9.70
Height, m - 3.20
Wings area, m2 - 19.40
Weight, kg
- empty aircraft - 2390
- normal take-off - 3250
Engine - 1 PE Gnome-Rhone 14R
Power, hp - 1 У 1590
Maximum speed, km/h - 710
Cruising speed, km/h - 400
Range, km - 1095
Rate of climb, m/min
Service ceiling, m - 11000
Crew - 1
Armament: 2 20 mm cannons or 4 7,5-mm machine-guns
710 Km/h in 1940...
It never was built more than 1 due to France fall, but it would have certainly be the best fighter of its generation. Looks like Razorback... no ?
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09-23-2006, 03:30 AM
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#278 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | without the service history of the greats then it still remains a "could have", interesting all the same though.........
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09-23-2006, 06:10 AM
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| The 710km/h speed of the MB.157 is disputed. If attained at all, it would be without armament, armour and at extreme altitude. A speed of 620km/h seems far more likely. | |
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09-24-2006, 01:14 PM
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#280 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Besides the Brits and the Germans had aircraft going faster than that back in 1939. True as Red Admiral put out they were without weapons and so forth as that Bloch, but I just dont see the Bloch holding up against the 109, 190 or Spitfire.
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09-24-2006, 08:38 PM
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#281 | | Junior Member
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Country: | Yes, but we can't find any possible specificity of that plane by comparing with Spits and 109's. We must compare it to its previous versions, MB152/155, which were good planes but with armament problems (freezing Hispano-suiza guns !) and such a poor engine !
But that new Gnome-Rhone 14R is really much more powerful and uses a revolutionnary compressor that allows high speed at high altitude. Maybe we can find suchs innovations in Bf-109F and Spit Mk.Vb but some months later, and in facts that's not a real surpise...
Finally when we look at french air industry at that time, we find that innovations and new models were quite distant in time from those of other countries (Germany, UK), and much more for engine industry.
It's considered in France that the best "What if" (France hadn't lost) plane is Arsenal VG.33, but it's not sure at all, due to its heavy wooden fabrication and former Hispano engine and heavy and problematic hispano guns. The Dewoitine family is evocated too, but just look at the D.520, even if it's a great fighter in 1940, nothing can prove that its small size can support war innovatiopns and heavier gears...
...at least that MB157 is all the more surprising that it is the only fighter project with new Gnome-Rhone engine, and the plane's conception allows modifications easily. Quite surely, it can be compared to the Fw-190 conception, compact fighters with powerful engine and certainly heavy weapons.
But it was tested in 1942, without guns and witout 2 years of war innovations it was able to support and without its builder final improvements, so that's just a great "what if" .
A 6 months technology advance, for an army composed by 2 technology years late planes, and for a lost war...
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09-25-2006, 11:35 AM
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#282 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yes but since there is no way to compare it to anything and aircraft just 6 months later were definatly 100% better aircraft the Bloch can not qualify as the Best WWII Aircraft.
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09-25-2006, 02:22 PM
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#283 | | Junior Member
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Country: | hey hey ! I said the best of its generation ! I wouldn't do our "what if" story last until we consider a Bloch with late war innovations ! -with jet engine that time, .
The only things we're sure is that due to fall of France we won't never know what this plane could have become and do during years of war and innnovations, and that M.Bloch was a very good plane conceptor (check his creations Gents  )...
But considering "the best fighter of WWII", we can forget all that was build before 1944...
In that case I vote for Spitfire Mk.XIV (also a question of taste, I confess  ).
And for the "best WWII plane", I'd say B-17.
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09-25-2006, 03:28 PM
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#284 | | Master of Ewes
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09-25-2006, 04:05 PM
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#285 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks *** what's your basis for the B-17 argument? |
Lanc.....aren't you going to cut him some slack (let him post 40-50 posts) before telling him the Lancaster is the best.
Just kidding man.
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