 | Best World War II Aircraft?| Aviation Discuss Best World War II Aircraft? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by netudki
OK its true so the good old C-47 won the war. But I can imagine ... |
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03-24-2006, 04:13 PM
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#46 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by netudki OK its true so the good old C-47 won the war. But I can imagine a new Spiti, with a box for 10 soldiers and the beer..... | No the C-47 was just a small part of the puzzle.
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03-27-2006, 08:29 AM
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| This is really simple; without the Spitfire, Hurricane and radar combo in 1940, there would have been no role for the C-47! The war in the west would have been lost!
The UK would have been under German rule (seems to be now with the number of BMW's and Mercs about!) so where would the allies have liberated Europe from - New York? No, so why do you need the C-47?
Before you can start using transport planes you have to clear the sky of the enemy first!
A transport plane is just a luxury you can use when you are winning via air supremacy, ask the Germans about using transport planes to supply Stalingrad........ | |
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03-27-2006, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SpitTrop This is really simple; without the Spitfire, Hurricane and radar combo in 1940, there would have been no role for the C-47! The war in the west would have been lost!
The UK would have been under German rule (seems to be now with the number of BMW's and Mercs about!) so where would the allies have liberated Europe from - New York? No, so why do you need the C-47?
Before you can start using transport planes you have to clear the sky of the enemy first!
A transport plane is just a luxury you can use when you are winning via air supremacy, ask the Germans about using transport planes to supply Stalingrad........ | I don't think you were ever in the military to understand the value of a transport aircraft let alone the C-47. Yes ,the Spits and Hurricanes fought off the Luftwaffe, that was one major battle. To invade Europe and WIN THE WAR things had to be moved logistically - the C-47 accomplished that role magnificently as well as moving troops and gliders - Without the movement of troops and supplies the war would of been over!!!!
Other transport aircraft did not have the ability to carry the equipment the required distances and offload it like the C-47..
In the Pacific, bases had to be continually supplied - without this there would of been no fuel parts, material and people to make it happen and again it was the C-47 that made it happen.....
The C-47 is still used today by 3rd world nations and small operators, a tribute to its longevity...
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03-27-2006, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SpitTrop A transport plane is just a luxury you can use when you are winning via air supremacy, ask the Germans about using transport planes to supply Stalingrad........ | I guess if the germans had the Dak or C47 maybe they wouldn't have lost Stalingrad the Berlin Airlift kept the whole city of Berlin supplied and used a whole whack of C47s the Germans had nothing even close to the C47 and if you can't get that spare part right away your combat a/c is now just a ground target | 
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03-27-2006, 11:56 AM
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Country: | The Stalingrad airlift was attempted with improper planning, accomplished during horrible weather with aircraft that were not capable of doing the job. If Germany had C-47s 2 out of the 3 would of still doomed the mission...
Transport aircraft are far from a "luxury." they are a vital piece of military equipment to keep all forces supplied and a ground army moving.
The Douglas DC-3/ C-47 was an easy flying aircraft, had features which enabled it to be quickly loaded and unloaded by minimal amounts of "Loadmasters," had the ability to carry more troops SAFELY than any other WW2 transport, and lastly was one of the most advanced "instrument" aircraft of WW2 - In my opinion only the Lancaster was a better inclement weather aircraft.
Eisenhower said it himself - the C-47 as one of the four machines that won World War II, along with the bulldozer, 6x6 truck, and the landing craft.
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03-27-2006, 12:49 PM
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Country:  | The Junkers 52 were a great airlift aircraft and it were great when it came to freight. Like Flyboyj said it were bad planning and the improper use of the equipment.
Remember also how many C-47 there were in WW2 and how many the US could produce. I agree with you when you say that the C-47 is a great aircraft.
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03-27-2006, 07:12 PM
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Country: | The Ju-52 in all actuallity is a marvelous aircraft. Very robust and very reliable. There are several Tante Ju's still flying in Germany. One is owned by Lufthansa, I actually saw it at the Frankfurt Airport when I flew out of there last week. I wish I had my camara available. Unfortunatly I packed it in my suit case.
The C-47 in my opinion though is the best aircraft of WW2, just for what it accomplished. Hell the damn things still fly today. That says something.
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03-28-2006, 02:25 PM
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03-28-2006, 02:37 PM
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03-28-2006, 03:12 PM
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Country:  | But ideally that is what you want from a good aircraft, the more hardship it can take combined with its performance (in real life) should be what defines it. In these respects the C-47 is top (in my opinion).
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03-28-2006, 03:42 PM
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Country: | I agree the C-47 as I said in my opinion is the best aircraft from WW2.
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03-29-2006, 04:28 PM
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| How about the Japanese Arny Air Force Nakajima Ki84, with a 1860 hp power plant. The "Hayate" for best in a dog fight!
It Compared very favorably with the P-51H and P-47N according to AAF tests after WWII. | |
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03-29-2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by J. W. MILLER How about the Japanese Arny Air Force Nakajima Ki84, with a 1860 hp power plant. The "Hayate" for best in a dog fight!
It Compared very favorably with the P-51H and P-47N according to AAF tests after WWII. | Welcome Mr. Miller.....
The Hayate was an excellent fighter and did compare favorably with allied fighters. It did not have the supreme maneuverability like the Oscar or Zero and the controls stiffened up at high speeds. In the hands of a good pilot it was formadable.
But the best "Over-all" plane of WW2 (that's what this thread is showing) in my opinion - the C-47.
The Hayete deserves its place in history but was still swatted out of the skies, mainly because of pilot skill....
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03-29-2006, 07:03 PM
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Country: | Im with FBJ. For fighter I go with the Fw-190D.
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03-30-2006, 09:38 AM
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Country: | The C-47 is certainly a milestone aircraft and the most significant in terms of affecting world transportation. Being an old airlifter myself, I would have to vote for the C-47 and an honorable mention for the C-54 (I got to fly in an R5D when the Navy flew me to New Orleans for a flight physical), which took the C-47 a step up into the modern aircraft era and won the first cold war confrontation, the Berlin Airlift.
I was playing golf yesterday at Skylinks in Long Beach Ca., which is right beside the airport. A DC3 flew right overhead while landing. It must have been less that 200 feet above us. What a magnificent sight and sound. That plane has been around for 70+ years of the 103 years of heavier than air flight. | |
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