 | Best World War II Aircraft?| Aviation Discuss Best World War II Aircraft? in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Neto
many people in this thread put the c 47 on the top... it is a nice ... |
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11-04-2007, 01:54 PM
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#676 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Neto  many people in this thread put the c 47 on the top... it is a nice airplane yes, but i do not conform that a cargo airplane may be the best ww2 aircraft  .
I think that a attack or defensive aircraft may be the best choice. | Yeah but there is more to fighting a war than throwing bullets and dropping bombs. This thread is about the contribution to the war. The C-47 flew in supplies to the ground troops that could not fight the war without it.
The C-47 was the allied work horse and it is still in use today.
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11-04-2007, 02:03 PM
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#677 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | The C-46 also came out a bit after the C-47. The C-46 got heavy use in the CBI, flying the hump. It could actually get to altitude while fully loaded faster than the C-47. The C-46 was used a couple of times in Europe, like in operation varsity, but for the most part, the C-47 handled most of the cargo duties in Europe. I have seen them side by side, and the C-46 is considerably bigger.
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11-07-2007, 04:23 PM
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Country:  | Here's an interesting candidate:
The Savoia Marchetti SM.82. 
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11-08-2007, 06:02 AM
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#679 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Explain how that aircraft could contend for being the best.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-08-2007, 05:34 PM
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Country: | Well let me say first that I NEVER consider an aircraft bad or good because of what it actually performed. Remember the discussion about best carrier attack aircraft and me voting for the Fieseler Fi 167 even though it never proved itself.
So even though the SM.82 didn't achieve the same as the C-47 I consider it a better aircraft, as a transport aircraft but especially because it was such a versatile aircraft which was also cheap to build.
Even though it had the same power as the Ju 52 or C-47 it could transport much more and at greater distances.
It was a very rugged aircraft, made out of an advanced mixed structure of welded steel tubes, skinned with mertal, plywood or fabric. Inside the fuselage there was much volume that they could create two decks. It had such a big fuselage that it was used to transport light tanks and fighter aircraft to Africa. It achieved great things in supplying the troops in Africa, flying under extremely difficult circumstances and still getting the job done.
As a bomber it could carry an impressive 4 tons, all internal. But of course - like the Ju 52 - it was no longer suited as a real bomber. Instead it could fly night bombing missions or special long-range missions. They managed to reach very long distances, bombing Gibraltar at 1,600 km from Italy. They also bombed an oil refinery somewhere in the Persian Gulf some 4000 km away creating much confusion amongst the allies, and leading to better defences in these areas and thus taking away resources from the front.
It could be powered by several types of engines. After the war it got American P&W engines. With these some stayed in service until 1960 showing its great durability.
Incredible bird! By far, the best Italian aircraft of WW2 (though the Caproni Ca.313 could have been even better  )
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11-08-2007, 08:52 PM
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#681 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | A tail dragger with 3 engines wood and fabric construction. That limits it right there. Even though some were still around in the 60s, I'd like to see the time on the airframe and what they were used for in the post war years and compare that with a typical C-47. Although I've read good things about this aircraft just it's layout and construction puts it in a bygone era.
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11-09-2007, 05:13 AM
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#682 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Gotta agree with Joe. I mean that aircraft had good performance and capabilities but for me I dont buy it.
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11-09-2007, 07:36 AM
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#683 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | The thing with the C-47 is that it was an airliner in the 1930s, even carrying about 90% of airline traffic worldwide. Then it was pressed into military service and was built in the thousands. They were in use throughout the world for military and civilian use. I believe the last of the military C-47s were retired in 1999 from Israeli service. There are still 2 C-47/DC-3 planes that run cargo out to Catalina island every day.
DC-3s are not only being preserved and flown for museums and historical organizations, but are still being used for their original purpose. Not bad for an airplane whose maiden flight was in 1933!
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11-09-2007, 08:10 AM
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Country: | Agreed Eric and that is why for me the C-47 is the not just the greatest plane of WW2 but the greatest plane of all time.
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11-09-2007, 09:13 AM
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Country: | Yep, I think the DC-3/C-47 is the greatest plane of all time also.
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11-09-2007, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by evangilder Yep, I think the DC-3/C-47 is the greatest plane of all time also. | No doubt about it, the all time champ.
Speaking of all time champions, there will be a plaque in the Hall of Fame for the B-52 once her days are over. Been flying for 55 years.
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11-11-2007, 08:49 PM
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Country: | Definitely "All-time Champ" ... plus few can beat this one:
the "DC-2-and-a-half" ... 
(C-29.5? = [C-33 + C-47] / 2)
May 20, 1941 Chinese National Aviation Corporation DC-3 No. 46 on a scheduled flight from Hong Kong to Chungking and Chengtu had to divert to a small airfield Suifu (now Yibin) due to a Japanese air raid that eluded the Chinese warning net.
The JNAF bombers score a direct hit on the right wing of the DC-3 with a bomb (probably a 60kg land bomb). The right wing outboard of the engine is destroyed. CNAC knew that the Japanese would be back later to try and complete the destruction of the damaged plane. They needed to make repairs and try to fly the plane out as quickly as possible. Bu how!? There were no spare wings available in China. 
CNAC Chief Engineer Zygmund Soldinski devised an ingenius plan to repair No. 46. The only replacement wing was from a DC-2 undergoing maintenance in Hong Kong. Soldinski had it modified to fit onto a DC-3 (drilled different attachment holes and sealed up the original ones). It was then strapped to the belly of a DC-2 and flown out to Suifu. The DC-2 wing which was 5ft shorter than the standard DC-3 wing was fitted to No.46, allowing it to fly back to Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong ... after picking up a full load of passengers in Chungking! CNAC's Famous DC-2 1/2 | |
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12-23-2007, 01:16 AM
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Country: | like the Ju52 or the Savoia Marchetti SM.82, the dc3 (or dc2)
also was a bomber. (that;s for those of you who didnt know that)
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12-23-2007, 10:21 AM
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Country:  | Oh god THE ME 110. What are you thinking. I like the Eurofighter Typhoon though its not In World War 2 | |
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12-23-2007, 10:45 AM
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