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12-24-2007, 11:47 AM
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Country:  | I stand corrected it was the Tu 16 that used an enlarged Tu 4 fuselage
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12-24-2007, 11:48 AM
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| "Development of the TU-95 intercontinental bomber began in the early 1950s after series production of the medium-range TU-4 started. Initially, several design configurations were considered, including a modification of the TU-4 and production of a new aircraft with piston engines."
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12-24-2007, 11:49 AM
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| Oh I see you realized that yourself 
I stand corrected about the amount of Tu-4's built though.
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12-24-2007, 11:56 AM
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Country: | The first Tu-4s were built in 1947. Without the "borrowed B-29s" that stared all this, the Soviets would of been at least another 5 years behind the west in large aircraft production.
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12-24-2007, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  The Soviets built almost 500 of them - it was the backbone of their strategic air arm until the mid 1950s and it turned out to be the basis for every large bomber they ever made in the post WW2 era - more than just a few aircraft Soren!
Name any aircraft that has had the DC-3s/ C-47 longevity and operating history - you can't. As stated there might of been some that carried more or were faster but they weren't cost effective to operate and weren't the right price out of the factory or cost too much to maintain. The DC-3 DESERVES to be placed on a pedestal because no other plane in history come close to its accomplishments. | I disagree to a point
there is one aircraft that is being overlooked the DHC2 Beaver/DHC3 Otter and its follow on DHC 6 Twin Otter (Twotter) although not a heavy hauler its versatilty and reliability are unmatched
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12-24-2007, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot I disagree to a point
there is one aircraft that is being overlooked the DHC2 Beaver/DHC3 Otter and its follow on DHC 6 Twin Otter (Twotter) although not a heavy hauler its versatilty and reliability are unmatched | It still ain't a DC-3. 10,000 of them built and used by EVERY major airline of the world. The Beaver and Otter changed a very adverse region. The DC-3 changed the world.
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12-24-2007, 01:01 PM
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| pbfoot,
Hence there's no one best a/c of all time.
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12-24-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren Hence there's no one best a/c of all time. | Untill we have another 100 years of aviation pass us - in my book it goes to the DC-3.
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12-24-2007, 01:17 PM
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| I disagree. The DC-3 was very limited in its use, while other a/c such as the Ju-290 could fly trans Atlantic flights, carry a whole lot more & faster. Just its range limits the DC-3 allot.
It was the trans Atlantic a/c that brought the world together, not the DC-3.
The DC-3 was/is a great small passenger or transport plane, possibly the greatest small passenger & transport a/c of all time, but IMO it's definitely not the greatest a/c of all time.
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12-24-2007, 01:27 PM
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| Anyway I have to join my family now for Christmas celebrations. A merry Christmas to you all! 
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12-24-2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren I disagree. The DC-3 was very limited in its use, while other a/c such as the Ju-290 could fly trans Atlantic flights, carry a whole lot more & faster. Just its range limits the DC-3 allot. | Limited use? It was used in EVERY theater of WW2!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Soren It was the trans Atlantic a/c that brought the world together, not the DC-3. | In post war Trans atlantic service, DC-3s flew the Atlantic Via Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland and eventually the European continent - Agree its size and range limited it and that's why we eventually seen aircraft like the DC-4, 6 and 7 and the Lockheed 049 and 1049 appear. Quote:
Originally Posted by Soren The DC-3 was/is a great small passenger or transport plane, possibly the greatest small passenger & transport a/c of all time, but IMO it's definitely not the greatest a/c of all time. | Tell that to these folks....
List of C-47 Skytrain operators
From Wikipedia
1 Operators
1.1 Argentina
1.2 Australia
1.3 Belgium
1.4 Benin
1.5 Bolivia
1.6 Brazil
1.7 Bulgaria
1.8 Burma
1.9 Cambodia
1.10 Canada
1.11 Chad
1.12 Chile
1.13 Republic of China
1.14 People's Republic of China
1.15 Colombia
1.16 Republic of the Congo
1.17 Democratic Republic of the Congo
1.18 Cuba
1.19 Czechoslovakia
1.20 Denmark
1.21 Ecuador
1.22 Egypt
1.23 El Salvador
1.24 Ethiopia
1.25 Finland
1.26 France
1.27 Gabon
1.28 Germany
1.29 East Germany
1.30 Germany
1.31 Greece
1.32 Guatemala
1.33 Haiti
1.34 Honduras
1.35 Hungary
1.36 India
1.37 Indonesia
1.38 Iran
1.39 Israel
1.40 Italy
1.41 Côte d'Ivoire
1.42 Japan
1.43 Laos
1.44 Libya
1.45 Madagascar
1.46 Malawi
1.47 Mali
1.48 Mauritania
1.49 Mexico
1.50 Monaco
1.51 Morocco
1.52 Netherlands
1.53 New Zealand
1.54 Nicaragua
1.55 Niger
1.56 Nigeria
1.57 North Korea
1.58 Norway
1.59 Oman
1.60 Pakistan
1.61 Papua New Guinea
1.62 Paraguay
1.63 Peru
1.64 Philippines
1.65 Poland
1.66 Portugal
1.67 Rhodesia
1.68 Romania
1.69 Rwanda
1.70 Saudi Arabia
1.71 Senegal
1.72 South Africa
1.73 South Korea
1.74 Somalia
1.75 Soviet Union
1.76 Sri Lanka
1.77 Spain
1.78 Sweden
1.79 Syria
1.80 Thailand
1.81 Togo
1.82 Turkey
1.83 Uganda
1.84 Uruguay
1.85 United Kingdom
1.86 United States
1.87 Venezuela
1.88 Vietnam
1.89 Republic of Vietnam
1.90 Yemen
1.91 Yugoslavia
1.92 Zaire
1.93 Zambia
I tried to list the DC-3 operators and it was too extensive....
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12-24-2007, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren Anyway I have to join my family now for Christmas celebrations. A merry Christmas to you all! | And a Merry Christmas to you Soren - I spoke to Santa and I asked him to leave a C-47 model in your stocking! 
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12-24-2007, 01:52 PM
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Limited use? It was used in EVERY theater of WW2!!!!
| You misunderstood me, when I say it was limited in its use I mean that it couldn't carry allot, its range was short, it wasn't very fast. It is possibly the most used a/c of all time so I'd never claim it to have ever been in limited use.
The DC-3 needed a whole lot of time & stops to cross the atlantic, hence it wasn't the aircraft that really brought to two continents together, that job was fullfilled by the trans atlantic a/c. Quote: |
I spoke to Santa and I asked him to leave a C-47 model in your stocking! | Really ?? Now I can't wait to open it! 
I seriously wouldn't mind getting one though...
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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12-24-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren You misunderstood me, when I say it was limited in its use I mean that it couldn't carry allot, its range was short, it wasn't very fast. It is possibly the most used a/c of all time so I'd never claim it to have ever been in limited use. | Gotcha.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Soren The DC-3 needed a whole lot of time & stops to cross the atlantic, hence it wasn't the aircraft that really brought to two continents together, that job was fullfilled by the trans atlantic a/c. | But it was the first aircraft to economically and safely accomplish this on a regular basis while making money in the process... Quote:
Originally Posted by Soren
Really ?? Now I can't wait to open it!
I seriously wouldn't mind getting one though... |
You never know - Merry Christmas!
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12-24-2007, 04:34 PM
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| Merry Christmas!
Santa didn't bring me a DC-3 model  Oh well, might go buy one then, haven't got one in my collection (Big mistake! I know!), and then I'll have something to pass my time with tommorrow, helps lower the blood pressure
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