Which is better: P-47 or Fw-190?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by plan_D

What about the P-47N?

I think it would give a 190D a very good fight, each aircraft will have the edge in certain situations. Pilot skill will definitely come into play.

[DAVIDICUS]

The P-47N could outperform the "D" model in all respects. The below excerpt concerns testing of the "N" model.

From: http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Sev...Republic8.html

Test comparisons were made with a P-47D-30-RE throughout the early portion of the evaluation period. Much to everyone’s surprise, the XP-47N, with its greater wingspan and higher weight actually proved to have better roll performance than the D model. At 250 mph TAS, the N attained a maximum roll rate just over 100 degrees/second. The P-47D-30-RE could manage but 85 degrees/second at the same speed. At higher speeds, the N widened the gap further.

In mock combat with a P-47D-25-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter. The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too. The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt.

Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. Though not as fast as the stunning P-47M, the heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence.

[FLYBOYJ]

Another nice site Davy!

[DAVIDICUS]

I love this picture. She was a B-I-G plane weighing in fully loaded at over 20,000lbs!

[Erich]

the only stats with Jugs and Doras would be with the 8th AF 56th fg. Am sure there were very few incidents ..............

[evangilder]

Nice pic, Davidicus!

[Soren]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I think it would give a 190D a very good fight, each aircraft will have the edge in certain situations. Pilot skill will definitely come into play.

Well it wouldnt last a dogfight with the D-9 for long, but it could chicken out almost whenever it wanted.

At high alt I think the D-9 and -47N would be about equal in an overall point of view, but the -47N would be alot faster. At low alt the -47N better not get suckered into a close fight with the D-9, as its almost entirely doomed to fail. The D-9 still has all its previus advantages, and will be almost impossible to beat at low-med alt.

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Btw, very nice pic DAVID ! Color photo's of a -47 are always nice

[Nonskimmer]

I agree. Great pic, and a couple of great links.
Thanks DAVIDICUS.

[lesofprimus]

Seeing how this is all theoretical, I agree with Soren on all accounts.....

Now.... Armament... While Ill compromise and say I love the 8x .50's, what do u think the Dora would have been able to do to the -47 if it had machine guns instead of cannon....

Tickle its belly????

I think that one comes down to simple personal choice..... 20mm explosives or sheer volume of .50 lead....

[Erich]

disagree if you will but every German pilot I have interviewed states they had the superior ammo and guns but not the A/C.

heck let's not go there ....

[lesofprimus]

every German pilot I have interviewed states they had the superior ammo and guns

I agree erich... The ones I have talked to, and have read about, all thought the same thing....

but not the A/C.

Until the Dora and the -152H and C came out.... But as we all know, too little too late......

[Soren]

Originally Posted by Erich

disagree if you will but every German pilot I have interviewed states they had the superior ammo and guns but not the A/C.

What I most commonly hear from vets, is that it wasnt the A/C's quality or maneuverability that was the problem, but the high alt performance.

Insufficient Pilot training, fuel shortages, and low high alt performance were the main problems. The maneuverability and ammunition of the "fighters" was excellent.

This is what I most commonly get ot hear from "Fighter-pilots" atleast. I've never heard them complain about A/C ammunition or maneuverability as a problem.

[DAVIDICUS]

The M3's appear to have been installed on the P-47N's stationed on LeShima.

Those M3's afforded an extra 350rpm over the M2's. (M3 - 1,200rpm / M2 - 850rpm using estimates at the high end)

P-51's had no problem tearing up their adversaries with six M2's throwing just 85 rounds per second.

A P-47N outfitted with M3's could throw 160 rounds per second.

[Soren]

Originally Posted by DAVIDICUS

The M3's appear to have been installed on the P-47N's stationed on LeShima.

Those M3's afforded an extra 350rpm over the M2's. (M3 - 1,200rpm / M2 - 850rpm using estimates at the high end)

P-51's had no problem tearing up their adversaries with six M2's throwing just 85 rounds per second.

A P-47N outfitted with M3's could throw 160 rounds per second.

Enough to cut any axis fighter to pieces. However I would still prefer D-9's armament if up against a -47 ! I'm confident that big bird could take a hell of alot of .50's !

[FLYBOYJ]

I don't know Soren, wasn't the D-9s tail wood? I hate to have 50s going through my empannage! (What the hell did I just say?)