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Old 04-04-2008, 08:27 PM   #16
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Hi Velius,

>This may or may not be the most reliable source, but I got that figure from "Flight- The Complete History" by R.G. Grant.

Thanks for the information! Sounds like Grant doesn't mention the primary source either? Then at least we've verified his book as a "dead end" :-/

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Yeah- unfortunatley he doesn't. The book as a symbol of a sun in the corner that says "Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum"- I kinda thought that the info inside it would be true (either that or to prove that I am easily impressed by symbols )
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:59 AM   #17
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I found butch`s post.

FYI checking my 109 incident/accident list mentions less than 1000 takeoff/landing accident out of 26000 cases...

An example :
Bf 109G-2 (wknr 10619) of I./JG 5 on 27-Aug-43 suffered a landing accident in Norwegen, at Fl.Pl. Oslo-Fornebu and was 20% damaged.
It's a typical accident, pilot not injured and a/c slightly damaged on landing.

When introduced the Bf 109 had a relatively high rate of failure/accident but in line with the other a/c being introduced at the time. For instance in 1937 there were just 29 accidents each resulting in injuries.

This stuff is detailled in either the medical corps documents relative to a/c accidents or the Quartermaster listing for damaged a/c.
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:04 PM   #18
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Israeli airforce lost nearly all of their 109s to accidents of one sort or another. Some to low level flying accidents, some to takeoff and landing.

I wonder if that 5% figure comes from the Czech airforce use after WWII?
Please remember the Israely air force did not use a single 109 but modified czech variants named Avia S-199. These aircraft used a Jumo 211 engine and a different prop, both were still in storage from He 111 production. The 211 engine made ground behaviour even worse with engine and prop generating large amounts of torque. This was especially dangerous if power was given too fast with the aircraft still taxying very slow and the tail down, the control surfaces had very little effect in this situation and this was one of the main reasons for ground loops.

I don't know whether the isreaelis got some Avia S-99, too. These were more or less Bf 109 G-14 (or was it G-10?) of postwar czech production.
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Accidents happen all the time and landing is the hardest part of flying a plane...landing in one piece that is
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