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07-08-2007, 06:52 PM
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OK here's one for the experts out there and wondered what you think. The tropical version of the Bf-109 sent to Africa had a rifle in the fuselage in case the pilot was shot down for self defense. In ways I thought it was a good idea but also a waste of war materials at the same time. In Russia I think it would have been a good idea but as far as I know it was never used in Russia. Thoughts and ideas on the subject.
Also any body out there have a real picture of the installation of the weapon.
Thanks in advance.
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07-09-2007, 01:58 AM
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I saw a one photo with Mauser carabine mounted on Bf 109, but don't remember where  If I find them, I'll put them here.
AFAIK the Messerschmitts in Troop versions were used in Africa as well in Italy and Finland.
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07-09-2007, 04:31 AM
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07-09-2007, 08:13 AM
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Country:  | Herman Göring was an passionated hunter. It is a little known fact, that high quality shotguns and a combination hunting gun with two shot and an rifled barrel, the so called Luftwaffendrilling M/ 30,where made for the Luftwaffe. So shot down bombercrew couldt shot dears ect. to survive. Even the Luftwaffen ammunition regulation L.Dv. 4000/ 10 handle this shot and hunting ammo. Gun and ammo where supplied to tropical or longe range raids. | |
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07-09-2007, 08:31 AM
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Country: | I think it is a good idea. There were many times that I wished I had a rifle instead of my 9mm if I had gone down.
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Country:  | A bit weird decision from Göring, equipping crew with custom rifles when a Kar is sufficient enough for hunting... at least for bigger animals.
Finnish pilots shot elks from their Brewsters and afterwards mechanics went to fetch the dead animals. Food for the whole squadron.
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Country: | Genkideskan, coul you post a photo of Luftwaffendrilling M/30. I'm very interesting to see this weapon.
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07-09-2007, 10:49 AM
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Country: | Here is the aluminum shipping box with manual and equipment for the Sauer
M/ 30 Luftwaffendrilling as delivered to the squads.
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Country: | I thought I read some where that bomber crews carried some gun stocks so that they could use machine guns as infantry weapons if they where ever shot down but cant seem to find it right now.
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Originally Posted by Negative Creep  Although interestingly, they were prohibited from carrying pistols during the Battle of Britain | Why's that???
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Country: | wow the rifle in the fuselage is a good idea but having a high quaility hunting rifle? that's too much
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Country: | Micdrow - did they mentioned about the ammunition ? Is it stored with the emergency pack ( Notausrüstung ) in the luggage compartment ? | |
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