Bf-109 with Rifle - Aircraft of World War II

Micdrow · 07-08-2007, 06:52 PM

OK here's one for the experts out there and wondered what you think. The tropical version of the Bf-109 sent to Africa had a rifle in the fuselage in case the pilot was shot down for self defense. In ways I thought it was a good idea but also a waste of war materials at the same time. In Russia I think it would have been a good idea but as far as I know it was never used in Russia. Thoughts and ideas on the subject.

Also any body out there have a real picture of the installation of the weapon.

Thanks in advance.

net_sailor · 07-09-2007, 01:58 AM

Hi!
I saw a one photo with Mauser carabine mounted on Bf 109, but don't remember where

If I find them, I'll put them here.
AFAIK the Messerschmitts in Troop versions were used in Africa as well in Italy and Finland.

Kurfürst · 07-09-2007, 02:28 AM

Here,

via 109G manual.

Micdrow · 07-09-2007, 04:31 AM

Thanks guys,

genkideskan · 07-09-2007, 08:13 AM

Herman Göring was an passionated hunter. It is a little known fact, that high quality shotguns and a combination hunting gun with two shot and an rifled barrel, the so called Luftwaffendrilling M/ 30,where made for the Luftwaffe. So shot down bombercrew couldt shot dears ect. to survive. Even the Luftwaffen ammunition regulation L.Dv. 4000/ 10 handle this shot and hunting ammo. Gun and ammo where supplied to tropical or longe range raids.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-09-2007, 08:31 AM

I think it is a good idea. There were many times that I wished I had a rifle instead of my 9mm if I had gone down.

Cyrano · 07-09-2007, 09:18 AM

A bit weird decision from Göring, equipping crew with custom rifles when a Kar is sufficient enough for hunting... at least for bigger animals.
Finnish pilots shot elks from their Brewsters and afterwards mechanics went to fetch the dead animals. Food for the whole squadron.

net_sailor · 07-09-2007, 09:55 AM

Genkideskan, coul you post a photo of Luftwaffendrilling M/30. I'm very interesting to see this weapon.

genkideskan · 07-09-2007, 10:49 AM

Here is the aluminum shipping box with manual and equipment for the Sauer

M/ 30 Luftwaffendrilling as delivered to the squads.

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net_sailor · 07-09-2007, 11:02 AM

Thanks a lot!

Micdrow · 07-09-2007, 02:46 PM

I thought I read some where that bomber crews carried some gun stocks so that they could use machine guns as infantry weapons if they where ever shot down but cant seem to find it right now.

Negative Creep · 07-11-2007, 07:08 PM

Although interestingly, they were prohibited from carrying pistols during the Battle of Britain

Micdrow · 07-12-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negative Creep

Although interestingly, they were prohibited from carrying pistols during the Battle of Britain

Why's that???

R-2800 · 07-14-2007, 04:55 PM

wow the rifle in the fuselage is a good idea but having a high quaility hunting rifle? that's too much

genkideskan · 07-15-2007, 10:13 AM

Micdrow - did they mentioned about the ammunition ? Is it stored with the emergency pack ( Notausrüstung ) in the luggage compartment ?

07-09-2007, 01:58 AM	#2
net_sailor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Elbląg/Poland Posts: 227	Hi! I saw a one photo with Mauser carabine mounted on Bf 109, but don't remember where If I find them, I'll put them here. AFAIK the Messerschmitts in Troop versions were used in Africa as well in Italy and Finland. __________________ "Polish soldier fights for freedom of the other nations, but dies only for Poland" - gen. Stanisław Maczek

07-09-2007, 02:28 AM	#3
Kurfürst Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aquincum, Pannonia Prima Posts: 905	Here, via 109G manual. __________________ __________________________________________________ http://kurfurst.org http://kurfurst.freeforums.org/index.php

07-09-2007, 04:31 AM	#4
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,241	Thanks guys, __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

07-09-2007, 08:31 AM	#6
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,087	I think it is a good idea. There were many times that I wished I had a rifle instead of my 9mm if I had gone down. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

07-09-2007, 09:18 AM	#7
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 310	A bit weird decision from Göring, equipping crew with custom rifles when a Kar is sufficient enough for hunting... at least for bigger animals. Finnish pilots shot elks from their Brewsters and afterwards mechanics went to fetch the dead animals. Food for the whole squadron. __________________

07-09-2007, 09:55 AM	#8
net_sailor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Elbląg/Poland Posts: 227	Genkideskan, coul you post a photo of Luftwaffendrilling M/30. I'm very interesting to see this weapon. __________________ "Polish soldier fights for freedom of the other nations, but dies only for Poland" - gen. Stanisław Maczek

07-09-2007, 11:02 AM	#10
net_sailor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Elbląg/Poland Posts: 227	Thanks a lot! __________________ "Polish soldier fights for freedom of the other nations, but dies only for Poland" - gen. Stanisław Maczek

07-09-2007, 02:46 PM	#11
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,241	I thought I read some where that bomber crews carried some gun stocks so that they could use machine guns as infantry weapons if they where ever shot down but cant seem to find it right now. __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

07-11-2007, 07:08 PM	#12
Negative Creep Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 850	Although interestingly, they were prohibited from carrying pistols during the Battle of Britain

07-14-2007, 04:55 PM	#14
R-2800 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 541	wow the rifle in the fuselage is a good idea but having a high quaility hunting rifle? that's too much __________________ www.airvictorymuseum.org "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time." V-DUB!!!!!!! My 71 Beetle is now.....in two pieces....

07-15-2007, 10:13 AM	#15
genkideskan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kaluebbe Posts: 107	Micdrow - did they mentioned about the ammunition ? Is it stored with the emergency pack ( Notausrüstung ) in the luggage compartment ?

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