The Bf-109 Thread

[CharlesBronson]

Pay for what...?

[loomaluftwaffe]

i like the bf109 cos i believe it is a good aircraft and im sick of seeing brits and yanks killing 190s and 109s on TV .

[lesofprimus]

and im sick of seeing brits and yanks killing 190s and 109s on TV .

Reality doesnt care if ur sick of it or not...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

LOL

[Gnomey]

[MacArther]

ignore this, go to next page. CPU at school stinks

[MacArther]

Give me the day, and I should be able to post some scans of great combat paintings concerning 109s

[delcyros]

Nicely done, Adler.
I don´t have such knowledge in detail, so please let me ask a question:
While most agree that the Bf-109F4 was pinnacle of it´s evolution (factoring flight behavior also), I read that the Bf-109 G2 was even better. This variant replaced almost all fron service Bf-109 in late 1942, it had the same weaponry and therefore the same aerodynamic clean lines (no Beule for MG 131). But it was powered by an early DB 605, giving this plane extraordinary acceleration, climb and top speed (I read figures between 656 Km/h and 666 Km/h, but don´t know about the altitudes).
Wouldn´t this make the G2 faster than the G6(early)? And how about the weight? What is the difference between F4-G2- and G6?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Again this is off the top of my head so I might be wrong I will look it up later to confirm or correct what I just posted but this is what I have here:

Bf-109F-4
Weight Empty: 2590kg
Weight Loaded: 3117kg
Max Speed: 624 kmh

Bf-109G-6
Weight Empty: 2700kg
Weight Loaded: 3150kg
Max Speed: 623kmh


As for the G-2 performance I am not sure on how it compared to the G-6

I do however know that the G-2 was a non pressurized version of the G-1 with the pilots seat completely armoured and cockpit venilation vents fitted. Other than that it was identical to the G-1 which was identical to the F-4 but with the DB-605A engine but with a wider intake and a Fo-870 oil cooler, wider 3 blade VDM 3 meter propellor and pressureized.

There were 1587 G-2's built.

[delcyros]

Thanks, Adler. I am abit surprised that the difference in weight isn´t that much between F4 and G6 (G2 should weight less than G6 because of the lighter armrment, right?), resp. G2. I always read that the plane (G6) wasn´t that agile because it was much heavier than the F4.
How can the speed difference be explained? 654 Km/h for G2 and 623 only for the G6 (which isn´t faster than a F4!), wow.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am going to have to look up the actual figures.

[Erich]

will add a touch but reserved for one of my books. The G-6/AS became apparent as one of the most important 109's for reeiving the appearance of the vaunted P-61B in the spring of 1944. II./JG 11 and and the high altitude staffel 2./Jg 3 and later I./Jg 3 as a whole were equipped, 109 gruppe of jG 1 later as well. Crat wre painted in overall RLM 76 licht-Blau for these close to 30,000 feet escapades. The (two)? stage supercharger equipped units could give an incrase in overall speed performance for a max of 10 minutes if not pushed to hard but under combat experience it was found it could also go to about 20 minutes but in due course suffer from blown piston(s) and a pilot then at the mercy of the US fighters. Unfortunately it had been found however even with a better craft for combat that US fighters on most occassions had the upper hand with superior numbers and the superior altitude when engaging.

In August of 44 it was already apparent that Berlinwas getting hammered by obnoxious Mosquito bombers of the RAF LSNF and that local defence of Fw 190A's was not suitable to protect let alone even come close to shooting down the mossies even on a dily basis......thus the Bf 109G-6/AS which could handle the higher altitudes, lighter armor and less "heavy" arms was a God-send to the beleagured Luftwaffe night fighter defences. The craft then became the mainstay of III./JG 300 and esepcially the 10th Nachtstaffel for combating these pesky problems, the 9th and 11st staffels then remained in the day time fighter role. 10th nacht flew the G-6/AS and when obsorbed into II./NJG 11 flew the bird along with increasing numbers of G-14/AS equipment until the G-6/AS was phased out

[KraziKanuK]

Might want to take a look at this 109 site, http://www.beim-zeugmeister.de/zeugm...x.php?id=7&L=1

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Cool thanks for the website.

[rebel8303]

Very nice thread
Dude it seems impossible to me to remember all that numbers for Bf 109
=D>
Bf 109 is nice
I like the Z version (extreme firepower)
Do you know if any prototypes where made?