The Bf-109 Thread

[KraziKanuK]

Originally Posted by rebel8303

Very nice thread
Dude it seems impossible to me to remember all that numbers for Bf 109
=D>
Bf 109 is nice
I like the Z version (extreme firepower)
Do you know if any prototypes where made?

Yes a Z was made but was destroyed by bombing, never flew.

[delcyros]

From what I know, no Bf-109Z ever left the drawing board. Just a preliminary study with two Klemm Kl-25 used instead of Bf-109, was produced and test flown. The twin performed statisfying.

[CharlesBronson]

Originally Posted by KraziKanuK

Might want to take a look at this 109 site, http://www.beim-zeugmeister.de/zeugm...x.php?id=7&L=1

Very good, interesting the comparative between the F-4 and the FW-190A-2

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by delcyros

From what I know, no Bf-109Z ever left the drawing board. Just a preliminary study with two Klemm Kl-25 used instead of Bf-109, was produced and test flown. The twin performed statisfying.

There was one Bf-109Z-3 prototype built but it was never flown. The Z-1 was 2 Bf-109F airframes mated together and the Z-2 was supposed to have 30mm Cannons.

[CharlesBronson]

A episode of the Happy days in the Eastern Front.

1941 brought the relocation of JG 51 to the Eastern Front. Here Bär's score rose quickly. On 2 July 1941 he was promoted to Leutnant and awarded the Knight's Cross, having totalled 27 kills. When he reached 60 victories, on 14 August 1941, Bär was decorated with the Oak Leaves. On one day, 30 August 1941, Bär scored 6 Soviet planes. From the beginning of 1942 Bär took command of IV/JG 51, and in mid-February he was awarded by Swords, having achieved 90 kills. In the spring of 1942, Bär was to face significant new challenges - - the heavy air battles in the southern part of the Russo-German Front, the Kerch Peninsula area.


"In these days, two of the Luftwaffe 's top aces arrived to command positions in JG 77 in the Crimea: Hauptmann Gordon Gollob, whose score stood at 86, was sent from the Test Centre at Rechlinto take over as Geschwaderkommodore , and Hauptmann Heinz Bär with 91 victories to his credit was sent from IV./JG 51 on the Moscow front to take charge of I./JG 77. Both were highly awarded - Bär with the Swords to the Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves while Gollob carried the Oak Leaves.

These two men were however had diametrically opposed personalities. "Pritzl" Bär, the notoriously undisciplined Lepiziger who simply refused to fly on combat missions whenever he didn't feel 'inspired' and the harsh Nazi follower MacGollob of old Prussian military style definitely would have clashed, had not Bär's I./JG 77 hastily been transferred to the Mediterranean area a few weeks later. However, during the last two weeks of May 1942, Bär and Gollob practically 'took over' the air over the Kerch - Taman area.

On 16 May, Heinz Bär proved his skills by shooting down two LaGG-3s - his 92nd and 93rd victories. Next day, Gollob followed by destroying three R-5 light bombers. He there after attacked a Yak-1 piloted by Sergeant N. K. Chayka. He hit the Yakovlev, saw it go down and returned home, reporting it as his 93rd victory (claiming it as a LaGG-3). Not caring much about the war in general, Gollob started competing with his subordinate in the cynical manner that characterized many of the Luftwaffe fighter aces during World War II. The fate of his last victim didn't bother the ambitious Gollob the slightest. Having suffered severe wounds from the machine guns and automatic cannon in Gollob's Messerschmitt Bf 109 F, the young Sergeant Chayka struggled at the controls of his damaged Yakovlev fighter. He managed to bring it back to the Khersones airfield, but lost control of it during landing and crashed into another Yak-1. Both planes were destroyed and Chayka was killed.

Having returned to base, Gollob learned that Bär meanwhile had bagged three MiG-3s. Hauptmann Gollob continued to strive for successes, picking easy targets during the following days. In contrast to the common fighter tactic of attacking from above, Gollob preferred to sneak up from ground-level, to be surethat no-one tried to attack him from the blind spot beneath. An anonymous pilot of JG 77 wrote the following account of Gollob's way of fighting:

'Gollob flew from Kerch together with his wingman. They positioned themselves at a low altitude beneath a Russian formation. Then they started climbing in spirals, carefully maintaining their position beneath the enemy formation. Before the peacefully flying Russians had even suspected any mischief, the two planes at the bottom of their formation had been shot down and the two Germans were gone.' (Prien: JG 77, p. 1018.)

On 18 May, another three obsolete R-5 bombers fell prey to Gollob's private ambitions, raising his kill score to 96. Yet again he was surpassed by Bär, who got involved in a combat with twelve Soviet fighters over the Tamanskaya Sound and shot down two LaGG-3s. The same day, Heinz Bär's I./JG 77 was visitedby his personal friend, Jagfliegergeneral Adolf Galland . A detail in this context is that a deep animosity eventually would develop between Galland and Gollob. Having sacked Gollob from his post as fighter plane expert due to lacking competence in 1944, Galland as Jagdfliegergeneral soon found himself targeted by Gollob's plotting (in house arrest early in 1945, Galland was informed that Gollob collected material against him regarding his private use of Luftwaffe cars, his gambling and his notorious womanizing).

On 19 May, Gollob and Bär both were in action. The former managed to bring down three R-5s again, but the magical '100th victory' slipped away. Meanwhile, Heinz Bär shot five Ishak fighters from the sky, for which he was mentioned in the OKW bulletin on the following day:

' Hauptmann Bär, the Gruppenkommandeur in a Jagdgeschwader, achieved his 99th to 103rd aerial victories yesterday. The total victory tally of Jagdgeschwader 77 has increased to 2,011.'

Next day, Gollob lurked along the Caucasus coast and managed to bring down a DB-3 bomber - being the tenth German fighter pilot to surpass the 100th victory score - followed by an unhappy LaGG-3."




Text:

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/bar/bar.htm

Drawings: Victor Gonzalez.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Nice info and profiles.

[Gnomey]

Yep, good stuff CB!

[CharlesBronson]

And what a hell......more drawings this time from JG-54 pilots.










Two pilots that are most identified with the powerful Fw-190A but started his career in the Bf-109.







JG-54 bagdes:

[rebel8303]

Nice profiles!

[alejandro_]

How can the speed difference be explained? 654 Km/h for G2 and 623 only for the G6 (which isn´t faster than a F4!), wow.

The G6 had a reinforced structure & landing gear, extra armour and reinforced armament. This brought the weight up by 300kg, and the engine power remained the same. The aerodynamics were negative affected too. As a consequence the performance of the G6 was far below than the G2.

Regards

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That sounds reasonable.

[krupp]

i like Fw190 more.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

me too to be honest.........

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by krupp

i like Fw190 more.

I like the Bf-109 better. The Fw-190 was a better aircraft but I like the Bf-109 better and besides....

This is The Bf-109 Thread.

[krupp]

you right.
can you tell me how much Bf109 be Made in WWII, all of them.