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02-24-2007, 09:09 AM
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What you see here is the typical flamebaiting followed by flaming standard of Milo, he performs these at all boards instead of discussion.
As for the arguable statements he made, they`re argueable in hope of even more flaming. There`s no need to debate such selective, accusings claims and with it aid someone who poured a lot of gasoline around and eagerly waiting for with a match in his hand, I think the moderation is perfectly capable of dealing with that to sustain the course of a interesting discussion instead of that. I hope that the moderation will be able to monitor certain personal remarks on me more closely in the future from this person.
As far as Emil production goes : 
RLM Lieferplan Nr. 18 Ausgabe 2 und 3 dated 01.10.1940 and 01.11.1940 respectively, show that 29 E-5/N were delivered up the end of June 1940. Records discussions with Milch show that by early July, 1 Gruppe (Wing=3 Staffeln) of 109Es had been equipped with 601N, and 3 Gruppen of Me 110s as well. Further 35 E-4/N were delivered up to the end of October 1940. Some E-7/Ns were undoubtfully delivered up to the end of October 1940, but it`s still needs to be found out this 452 E-7/Ns mentioned by the Lieferplan are correct or not.
Up till the end 258 E-7/N appears to have been delivered according to the Lieferplan posted above.
Certainly not 'towards the end of the battle' (they were present before the battle even started) or penny pocket numbers. The 1-min 1100/1175 PS rating for the DB 601A/Aa was cleared from the beginning of the war, as noted by French, German and even Yugoslavian manuals.
As for the Spitfire statements, these are definietely off-topic for this thread, but to me they appear to be insufficiently backed up. Even as far as CS prop go, it`s noted that all of them had 2-pitch propellers at the start of the Battle, and a crash retrofit programe was started in the end of June, with somehwere over 1000 modified by mid-August, as noted by Spitfire : The History, Wood and Dempster etc. | 
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02-24-2007, 09:37 AM
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#77 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Kurfürst  Adler,
What you see here is the typical flamebaiting followed by flaming standard of Milo, he performs these at all boards instead of discussion. | What did I just say up there. That goes for you as well. Stop this childish bashing of each other. If you dont like each other do it privatly and dont spam this forum with your crap.
Again that goes for everyone who is taking part in this. Morai, Kurfurst, Mike (who is not even talking in this forum at the moment, so why dont you just leave him out of it!) You all act like School Girls.
Next person who continues this bashing will recieve an official warning and only one will be given out.
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02-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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Country:  | Very good read, Eagle. Definitely saving it as a fave on my list for reference. Good job! Hmm maybe I'll make 'The Spitfire Thread' if i find the time lol.
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10-06-2007, 12:54 PM
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| I hope this isn't too "out of sinc" but I've been curious about the starting methods of the DB 600 series in the Bf 109's. I know the inerta starters were used as well as the electric type but I'm curious which was better on say the eastern front as winter closed in...... I may sound a little odd with this question but as I watched some videos of 109's "firing up" as the ground crews wound and wound on the hand cranks, it got my curiousity going...
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10-06-2007, 06:53 PM
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Country:  | What did I once read about the ME-109; some 33,000 of them were built and this the most of any WWII plane?
Does the Messerschmidt firm still exist in Germany?
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10-06-2007, 06:58 PM
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#81 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Bf 109 is the most produced fighter aircraft of all times.
The most produced military aircraft of WW2 (and all times obviously) is the Il-2 Sturmovick with 36,163 produced in all varients.
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10-07-2007, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostdancer
Does the Messerschmidt firm still exist in Germany?
| Yup. Messerschmitt - Bölkow - Blohm (MBB). They make some very likeable helicopters, amongst other things, they are related to the Eurofigter 2000, too.
Now part of DASA I think. | |
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10-07-2007, 05:24 AM
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Country: | They make the BO-105 which is an excellent little helicopter. We did some training with them one time and it was a blast.
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10-08-2007, 04:27 PM
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Country: | Just a remark with regard to the IL-2 production figure...of that total a few thousands were produced in the years after the end of the war...so if we stick to the date when WW2 ended in Europe, the Bf 109 is the most produced plane in history.
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10-09-2007, 02:01 AM
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as I can see a lot of Bf experts posted here. Could someone help me on identification of this particular Bf109G-???  http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...44-a-9055.html (Willi Reschke´s G-?, August 29th,1944)
Chris, hope you don´t mind I used your great tread...
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10-09-2007, 02:40 AM
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Country:  | Nice post Adler...the Bf109 is my fav aircraft too...I just hope I get the chance to see one...
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10-09-2007, 08:38 AM
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Country: | Years ago I was at the air museum in Mesa, Arizona which had what I understood at the time to be the only flyable Me-109. It was in the maintenance facility being worked on at that time. Are there others which are still flyable?
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10-09-2007, 09:55 AM
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Country: | A question to the 109 Gurus: What type of success did the 109K's have against the Mustangs?
Also, did the 109's have difficulties with the integrity of the landing gear? Was that something that earlier models suffered from and did it get corrected in later models?
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10-09-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostdancer Years ago I was at the air museum in Mesa, Arizona which had what I understood at the time to be the only flyable Me-109. It was in the maintenance facility being worked on at that time. Are there others which are still flyable? | Back in 1996 we had two in the UK. The well known Black 6 crashed with light damage but is unlikely to fly again as the owners (Government) will not take the chance.
The other I believe is now based in Germany but it was good to see the two together. | |
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10-09-2007, 12:56 PM
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#90 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Konigstiger205 Nice post Adler...the Bf109 is my fav aircraft too...I just hope I get the chance to see one... | Should not be a problem. I have seen them all over the place. They have several of them in my area where I live and there are 2 of them flying around here in Europe. I will be going to see an Bf 109E in a few weeks in Munich along with a a Me 262 and Me 163.
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