BF109 W.Nr.412960 - Aircraft of World War II

seesul · 03-21-2008, 08:00 AM

Hello,

can anyone tell me something about the version, modification, prod. year etc. of this plane?

Many thanks

Wurger · 03-21-2008, 10:23 AM

Ahoj Romku,

I have found info that the Werk numbers from 412000 to 413000 were for Bf 109G-6 serie but also G-12 serie used numbers from this range.

seesul · 03-22-2008, 04:59 PM

Thank you Wurger,

is there any chance to get additional info on this particular W. Nr.?

Wurger · 03-24-2008, 10:15 AM

I think yes, but we have to go through tons of materials to find something more on the particular Bf109
.

Romku, I've found two colour profiles of two Bf 109G-6/ASs used in1944.Their Werk Nummeren were 412179 ( black14 of 2./JG3 ) and 412807 ( yellow 2 of II./JG27 ).These Werk Numbers can suggest that the 412960 could be G-6/AS version.

seesul · 03-25-2008, 02:13 AM

Hello Wurger!

Interesting information!
Last week I had a discussion about this W.Nr. at German forum LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte and he said that this is the W.Nr. of Willi Reschke´s emergency landed aircraft!
So that could support a hypothese that it was really a G-6/AS version...http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...44-a-9055.html (Willi Reschke´s G-?, August 29th,1944)

Wurger · 03-25-2008, 08:10 AM

Ahoj,

I remember your thread about the Bf109.It sounds really interesting.I have to dig up deep in some books about G-version.Maybe I find something more.

But we should remember that many of G-6 parts were used for other later versions of Bf109 assembling.

seesul · 03-25-2008, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wurger

Ahoj,

I remember your thread about the Bf109.It sounds really interesting.I have to dig up deep in some books about G-version.Maybe I find something more.

But we should remember that many of G-6 parts were used for other later versions of Bf109 assembling.

O.K. Thank you! Looking 4ward for your research. Will be out for two days (business trip to Prague) so check out your answer on Thursday...

Wurger · 03-25-2008, 08:28 AM

OK. I'll try to find something more by the time.

Have a nice trip.

seesul · 03-26-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wurger

OK. I'll try to find something more by the time.

Have a nice trip.

Hello Wurger!
Just got back. Have you forund anything interesting? Sorry, I´m curious...

Wurger · 03-26-2008, 03:06 PM

Ahoj,

Unfortunately ,nothing more.Sorry.I try to get other book about G version but I don't know if a guy will lend me this one.

I've found another info on the Werk number range. 41000-413000 were numbers from Erla factory in Leipzig.

seesul · 03-27-2008, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wurger

Ahoj,

Unfortunately ,nothing more.Sorry.I try to get other book about G version but I don't know if a guy will lend me this one.

I've found another info on the Werk number range. 41000-413000 were numbers from Erla factory in Leipzig.

No problem!
Thank you!

Wurger · 03-27-2008, 01:20 PM

Ahoj Romku,

In TBU publication no.181 about Bf109G I've found a small pic of BF109G-6 Werk Nummer 412951.The caption says that the Bf109G-6 "White16" was of 1./JG301 flown by Lt.Prenzel who landed at Manston airfield, England on 21st July 1944.Looking at the pic it seems it was G-6 but not G-6/AS.So our earlier theory is ........

probably.

seesul · 12-09-2008, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wurger

I think yes, but we have to go through tons of materials to find something more on the particular Bf109
.

Romku, I've found two colour profiles of two Bf 109G-6/ASs used in1944.Their Werk Nummeren were 412179 ( black14 of 2./JG3 ) and 412807 ( yellow 2 of II./JG27 ).These Werk Numbers can suggest that the 412960 could be G-6/AS version.

Ahoj Wojtku,

also 412918 was G-6/AS. But perhabs 412726 was G-6. Man, there´s no order, what a mess...

Source: Falcon's Messerschmitt Bf 109 Hangar

Micdrow · 12-09-2008, 08:34 PM

Maybe this will help as well.

Werk 412924 Yellow 6 was a Bf-109G-6/AS of 3/JG 300 flown by FW Karl Schreieck and suffered 60% damage in combat with mustangs on 09 13 1944

Werk 412930 Yellow 10 was a Bf-109G-6/AS of 3/JG 300 flown by Uffz Alfred Buthe and lonst on 13 09 1944

but then

Werk 412512 White 16 was Bf-109G-6 of 1/JG 300 flown by Uffz Reinhard Hasselbach and lost after a training flight.

Werk 412794 Black 1 was a Bf-109G-6 of 11/JG 53 flown by Uffz Heinz Kempa and lost on 26 09 1944

From the numbers some where between 412794 being a Bf-109G-6 to werk 412830 it went to a Bf-109G-6/AS. At least that seems to suggest a pattern but could be wrong.

Micdrow · 12-10-2008, 06:40 AM

Couple of more examples found,

17.08.44
10./J.G.5
7 km nordvest for Petsamo flyplass
Shoot down inAir battle med 12 sovjetiske jagerfly
Bf 109G-6
412320
Weisse 8
100% loss

17.08.44
9./J.G.5
Ved Petsamo flyplass
Shoot down inAir battle med sovjetiske fly
Bf 109G-6
412228

Gelbe 2
100% loss

03-21-2008, 08:00 AM	#1
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	BF109 W.Nr.412960 Hello, can anyone tell me something about the version, modification, prod. year etc. of this plane? Many thanks __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

03-21-2008, 10:23 AM	#2
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	Ahoj Romku, I have found info that the Werk numbers from 412000 to 413000 were for Bf 109G-6 serie but also G-12 serie used numbers from this range. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 03-21-2008 at 10:42 AM.

03-22-2008, 04:59 PM	#3
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	Thank you Wurger, is there any chance to get additional info on this particular W. Nr.? __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

03-24-2008, 10:15 AM	#4
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	I think yes, but we have to go through tons of materials to find something more on the particular Bf109 . Romku, I've found two colour profiles of two Bf 109G-6/ASs used in1944.Their Werk Nummeren were 412179 ( black14 of 2./JG3 ) and 412807 ( yellow 2 of II./JG27 ).These Werk Numbers can suggest that the 412960 could be G-6/AS version. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 03-24-2008 at 11:14 AM.

03-25-2008, 02:13 AM	#5
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	Hello Wurger! Interesting information! Last week I had a discussion about this W.Nr. at German forum LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte and he said that this is the W.Nr. of Willi Reschke´s emergency landed aircraft! So that could support a hypothese that it was really a G-6/AS version...http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...44-a-9055.html (Willi Reschke´s G-?, August 29th,1944) __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country. Last edited by seesul; 03-25-2008 at 08:01 AM.

03-25-2008, 08:10 AM	#6
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	Ahoj, I remember your thread about the Bf109.It sounds really interesting.I have to dig up deep in some books about G-version.Maybe I find something more. But we should remember that many of G-6 parts were used for other later versions of Bf109 assembling. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 03-25-2008 at 08:12 AM.

03-25-2008, 08:28 AM	#8
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	OK. I'll try to find something more by the time. Have a nice trip. __________________

03-26-2008, 03:06 PM	#10
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	Ahoj, Unfortunately ,nothing more.Sorry.I try to get other book about G version but I don't know if a guy will lend me this one. I've found another info on the Werk number range. 41000-413000 were numbers from Erla factory in Leipzig. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 03-26-2008 at 05:01 PM.

03-27-2008, 01:20 PM	#12
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	Ahoj Romku, In TBU publication no.181 about Bf109G I've found a small pic of BF109G-6 Werk Nummer 412951.The caption says that the Bf109G-6 "White16" was of 1./JG301 flown by Lt.Prenzel who landed at Manston airfield, England on 21st July 1944.Looking at the pic it seems it was G-6 but not G-6/AS.So our earlier theory is ........ probably. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 03-27-2008 at 01:32 PM.

12-09-2008, 08:34 PM	#14
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,852	Maybe this will help as well. Werk 412924 Yellow 6 was a Bf-109G-6/AS of 3/JG 300 flown by FW Karl Schreieck and suffered 60% damage in combat with mustangs on 09 13 1944 Werk 412930 Yellow 10 was a Bf-109G-6/AS of 3/JG 300 flown by Uffz Alfred Buthe and lonst on 13 09 1944 but then Werk 412512 White 16 was Bf-109G-6 of 1/JG 300 flown by Uffz Reinhard Hasselbach and lost after a training flight. Werk 412794 Black 1 was a Bf-109G-6 of 11/JG 53 flown by Uffz Heinz Kempa and lost on 26 09 1944 From the numbers some where between 412794 being a Bf-109G-6 to werk 412830 it went to a Bf-109G-6/AS. At least that seems to suggest a pattern but could be wrong. __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero." Last edited by Micdrow; 12-09-2008 at 08:58 PM.

12-10-2008, 06:40 AM	#15
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,852	Couple of more examples found, 17.08.44 10./J.G.5 7 km nordvest for Petsamo flyplass Shoot down inAir battle med 12 sovjetiske jagerfly Bf 109G-6 412320 Weisse 8 100% loss 17.08.44 9./J.G.5 Ved Petsamo flyplass Shoot down inAir battle med sovjetiske fly Bf 109G-6 412228 Gelbe 2 100% loss __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

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