Bombers to bomb NYC??? - Aircraft of World War II

krieghund · 12-20-2008, 07:27 AM

I found this during my readings and was wondering if anyone could shead any light on this article?

It is from the Washington Post dated June 29, 1945.

Which base would this be and what type of aircraft were there and where were they taken to and examined?

evangilder · 12-20-2008, 07:37 AM

It would have been a one way trip, from what I understand. There were a lot of wonder weapons that were on paper, or in progress when the war ended. It was the last desperate moves to try and delay the inevitable.

I honestly don't think it would have changed much if they had even succeeded in bombing New York. Fighters and anti-aircraft would be put in the area and any war industries would be moved out of range.

The ability to bomb New York would have not been a way to turn defeat into victory.

Burmese Bandit · 12-20-2008, 07:45 AM

Unless they had the A-bomb. But they didn't.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-20-2008, 07:59 AM

The idea and plans were in place. Actually several plans were in place. If it would have been possible is up for debate though.

A good book to read on the topic is:

LUFTWAFFE OVER AMERICA - The Secret Plans to Bomb the United States in World War II by Manfred Griehl

ISBN: 1-85367-608-X

krieghund · 12-20-2008, 10:11 AM

Yes I have that one plus Target: America-Hitler's plans to attack the United States plus Messerschmitt Me 264 Amerika bomber and others.

Still what base is the one mentioned and what are the aircraft?

Eurofighter · 12-20-2008, 12:30 PM

While the Germans tried to bomb New York city, the Japanese on the other hand tried to bomb Oregon and California not with long range bombers but with so type of balloons packed with explosives. I read this some time ago and I do not have any further details but of one thing I'm sure, we were really lucky by having two vast oceans protecting us.

syscom3 · 12-20-2008, 04:31 PM

I think we had an extensive discussion about the capabilities of the long range German bombers in one of the thread for "Best Bomber of WW2".

kool kitty89 · 12-20-2008, 04:57 PM

Something Delcyros has brought up on the forum several times, most recently here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...-14427-12.html (Could the Luftwaffe survive against Allied attacks if the USSR had been defeated?)

The most dangerous weapon the Germans had available (and possibly the most dangeous WMD available in quantity with any country in WWII) would be their stocks of refined botulinum toxin.

We had a similar discussion going here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...v2-4623-2.html (Atomic tipped v1 or v2?)

Another ting brought up in this thread: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...-14427-12.html (Could the Luftwaffe survive against Allied attacks if the USSR had been defeated?) was the relative effectiveness of the early Nuclear weapons available durring the war. (they were similart in yeild to tactical Nukes by modern or even mid-1950's standards) They woeked well aganst Japanese cities for largely the same reason as incendiary bombs. (light wooden structures)
Except very near to ground zero, any stone/brick structures would be relatively unharmed. Of course there's the fallout t wory about, but the level of destruction would be significantly less than with Japan.

But on the topic of the "amerika bomber" this thread had some discussion on it: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ters-4636.html (Alternate A-bomb transporters)
And especially this one: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...u390-2579.html (WWII MISTERIES: What happened with the JU390?)

TheMustangRider · 12-22-2008, 07:16 PM

The whole idea of bombing America from Europe seems like a last desperate move for Nazi Germany but given the fact that Germany had very innovative designs; who knows what would had happen if the war would had continue for at least two more years.

Amsel · 12-22-2008, 07:34 PM

No fuel, no ammo. The war was over because of it.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 12-26-2008, 05:52 AM

Amerika Bomber in imagined horror of action

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-26-2008, 09:03 AM

It probably would not have looked much like that. They would not have been able to carry that many bombs and still have the range. Besides by that point the defensive fighters would have probably already been all over them.

Airframes · 12-27-2008, 08:14 AM

I vaguely recall reading years ago, that the Norwegian airfield was Gardermoen. Perhaps JU88A1 (Guttorm), our Norwegian friend, can shed some light on this, as he is based there!

ScOoTeR1992 · 12-28-2008, 02:55 AM

uhm correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they design the Arado Ar 234 to bomb the New York and other cities, I've read somewhere and trying to locate that place now where it said that but I have read it

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-28-2008, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScOoTeR1992

uhm correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they design the Arado Ar 234 to bomb the New York and other cities, I've read somewhere and trying to locate that place now where it said that but I have read it

Okay, I will correct you...

Ask yourself how the Ar 234 (first jet powered bomber) was going to bomb New York with a range of 1,100 km (684 miles)? It did bomb other cities though, since you said it was designed to bomb New York and other cities.

Sorry I am just having a little fun with you. Seriously though, the Ar 234 was not designed to bomb the United States, its range was no where even close.

12-20-2008, 07:37 AM	#2
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,427	It would have been a one way trip, from what I understand. There were a lot of wonder weapons that were on paper, or in progress when the war ended. It was the last desperate moves to try and delay the inevitable. I honestly don't think it would have changed much if they had even succeeded in bombing New York. Fighters and anti-aircraft would be put in the area and any war industries would be moved out of range. The ability to bomb New York would have not been a way to turn defeat into victory. __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

12-20-2008, 07:59 AM	#4
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,086	The idea and plans were in place. Actually several plans were in place. If it would have been possible is up for debate though. A good book to read on the topic is: LUFTWAFFE OVER AMERICA - The Secret Plans to Bomb the United States in World War II by Manfred Griehl ISBN: 1-85367-608-X __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

12-20-2008, 04:31 PM	#7
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,814	I think we had an extensive discussion about the capabilities of the long range German bombers in one of the thread for "Best Bomber of WW2". __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

12-20-2008, 04:57 PM	#8
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	Something Delcyros has brought up on the forum several times, most recently here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...-14427-12.html (Could the Luftwaffe survive against Allied attacks if the USSR had been defeated?) The most dangerous weapon the Germans had available (and possibly the most dangeous WMD available in quantity with any country in WWII) would be their stocks of refined botulinum toxin. We had a similar discussion going here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...v2-4623-2.html (Atomic tipped v1 or v2?) Another ting brought up in this thread: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...-14427-12.html (Could the Luftwaffe survive against Allied attacks if the USSR had been defeated?) was the relative effectiveness of the early Nuclear weapons available durring the war. (they were similart in yeild to tactical Nukes by modern or even mid-1950's standards) They woeked well aganst Japanese cities for largely the same reason as incendiary bombs. (light wooden structures) Except very near to ground zero, any stone/brick structures would be relatively unharmed. Of course there's the fallout t wory about, but the level of destruction would be significantly less than with Japan. But on the topic of the "amerika bomber" this thread had some discussion on it: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ters-4636.html (Alternate A-bomb transporters) And especially this one: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...u390-2579.html (WWII MISTERIES: What happened with the JU390?) Last edited by kool kitty89; 12-20-2008 at 05:25 PM.

12-22-2008, 07:34 PM	#10
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,860	No fuel, no ammo. The war was over because of it. __________________

12-20-2008, 07:45 AM	#3
Burmese Bandit Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 489	Unless they had the A-bomb. But they didn't.

12-20-2008, 10:11 AM	#5
krieghund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Riyadh Posts: 110	Yes I have that one plus Target: America-Hitler's plans to attack the United States plus Messerschmitt Me 264 Amerika bomber and others. Still what base is the one mentioned and what are the aircraft?

12-20-2008, 12:30 PM	#6
Eurofighter Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 26	While the Germans tried to bomb New York city, the Japanese on the other hand tried to bomb Oregon and California not with long range bombers but with so type of balloons packed with explosives. I read this some time ago and I do not have any further details but of one thing I'm sure, we were really lucky by having two vast oceans protecting us.

12-22-2008, 07:16 PM	#9
TheMustangRider Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United States Posts: 82	The whole idea of bombing America from Europe seems like a last desperate move for Nazi Germany but given the fact that Germany had very innovative designs; who knows what would had happen if the war would had continue for at least two more years.

12-26-2008, 05:52 AM	#11
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,896	Amerika Bomber in imagined horror of action __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

12-26-2008, 09:03 AM	#12
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,086	It probably would not have looked much like that. They would not have been able to carry that many bombs and still have the range. Besides by that point the defensive fighters would have probably already been all over them. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

12-27-2008, 08:14 AM	#13
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 11,572	I vaguely recall reading years ago, that the Norwegian airfield was Gardermoen. Perhaps JU88A1 (Guttorm), our Norwegian friend, can shed some light on this, as he is based there!

12-28-2008, 02:55 AM	#14
ScOoTeR1992 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: right behind you Posts: 413	uhm correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they design the Arado Ar 234 to bomb the New York and other cities, I've read somewhere and trying to locate that place now where it said that but I have read it __________________ Pain, Hate, Anger You Cut My Wings And Throw Me Out, Out To The Land My Soul Was Harvested From The wind whipping across your face as your blades whip across the throats of the foe. It makes the blood sing.

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