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01-13-2008, 05:49 PM
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Country: | Bournemouth raid 1943. Gents, looking for info on the Luftwaffe raid against Bournemouth on the 23rd of May 1943. Could someone tell me what unit(s) were involved? (Fw190's made the attack), German losses and what was their target?
I ask because Bournemouth was the locations of 11 PDRC (Personnel Despatch and Recieving Centre) which was the receiving station for RAAF aircrew arriving in the UK. From what I can gather six RAAF airmen plus many civilians were killed in the raid. Was this a delibrate attack on RAAF personnel or were they simply in the way of a more important target?
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Originally Posted by Wildcat Gents, looking for info on the Luftwaffe raid against Bournemouth on the 23rd of May 1943. Could someone tell me what unit(s) were involved? (Fw190's made the attack), German losses and what was their target?
I ask because Bournemouth was the locations of 11 PDRC (Personnel Despatch and Recieving Centre) which was the receiving station for RAAF aircrew arriving in the UK. From what I can gather six RAAF airmen plus many civilians were killed in the raid. Was this a delibrate attack on RAAF personnel or were they simply in the way of a more important target? | It was also used for the same purpose by the RCAF(and much hated as it was run by those who thought we were colonials) the targets being the Hotels or Pubs where the aicrew gathered I'm try to determine how many RCAF guys were killed
from some source
"At times these were ME10-9 fighter bombers, but the favorite attacker was the Focke-Wulf 190. They operated out of a number of airfields in the vicinity of Cherbourg and Caen. The pay-load was a 500 kilogram bomb carried under the fuselage. Their objective was to hit the railway, stations or gas depots, but other inviting targets were the hotels of the Bournemouth and Torquay where the German Command knew the Canadian Airmen were billeted.
For the most part they were young, recently graduated officers and NCOs awaiting posting to operational Training Units or active Squadrons. The time usually chosen for an attack was lunch time or tea time when most everyone was eating or relaxing.
On May 23, 1943, the peacefulness of a beautiful Sunday morning was abruptly shattered when 22 German aircraft, led by Leutnant Leopold Wenger, conducted their most audacious raid on Bournemouth. The Kingsway Hotel, the Congressional Church and Beales Department Store sustained significant bomb damage, but at the Landsdowne Circle the Metropole Hotel was virtually destroyed when it took a direct hit.
Casualties were high. Among the 128 killed that day were 51 service men.
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01-14-2008, 01:44 AM
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Country: | Sounds like that attack was quite cost-effective then, although deplorable. |
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01-14-2008, 02:00 AM
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Country: | Thanks for the grim story, never heard it before.
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01-14-2008, 07:24 AM
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Country: | Thanks for that info Pb. I wasn't aware the RCAF used the same location, obviously a tempting target for the Germans and a wake up call for the many young and eager aircrew waiting to get on operations. Do you know of any German losses? I have read a first hand account from someone who was there and he stated some were shot down by AA and one or two by the RAF.
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Was this a delibrate attack on RAAF personnel or were they simply in the way of a more important target?
| I think it was just a bit of luck for the Germans. The tip and run raids sometimes had specific military targets, sometimes they targeted shipping, other favourite targets were city centres. Bournemouth was a typical city centre raid.
From an article in the RAF Airpower Journal by Sqd Ldr Chriss Goss: Quote:
‘Tip and run’ attacks would occur only on three more days in May 1943 and all attacks but one were devastating. On the 23rd
of May, simultaneous lunchtime attacks were launched against Hastings and Bournemouth. At Hastings, anti-aircraft sites
appeared to be the chosen targets but, for a change, these sites and the fighter standing patrol had received ample warning.
The town was still bombed and the two German losses, one to a Typhoon, the other to anti-aircraft fire, occurred after the
bombs had been dropped. Despite a six-minute warning, the attack on Bournemouth was a total success. Considerable
damage was caused to the town centre with five buildings destroyed and a further 3,000 damaged whilst civilian casualties
were 77 killed, 45 seriously wounded and 150 slightly wounded. Far more serious was a direct hit on a hotel being used by
trainee RAF aircrew; 31 service personnel were killed, three missing and 38 wounded. Two days later, Brighton suffered
another mass attack. Again, there was five minutes warning of the attack but the fighter-bombers still succeeded in damaging
the railway and locomotive works and appeared to be targeting, with considerable success, Brighton’s larger buildings.
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01-14-2008, 02:27 PM
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| Try to get your hands on a copy of Chris Goss' "Luftwaffe Fighter Bombers Over Britain". I believe this attack, as well as many others, are described there in great detail, from both sides.
I used to have a copy, donated it to the local library ... |
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Country: | Hop, thanks for the info mate, that pretty much outlined what I wanted to know. 
Cheers for the heads up on the book mhuxt.
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Country: | I would be guessing that it would be aircraft from 10(J)./JG 26 and 10(J)./JG 2 as these were the jabostaffeln involved in these type of attacks in early 1943 - see the Great London Raid of 20 January 1943.
although according to this website: World War 2 Awards.com - WENGER, Leopold
Lt. Leopold Wenger was awarded the KRIEGSORDEN DES DEUTSCHEN KREUZES IN GOLD on October 17th, 1943 as a member of 3./Schnelles Kampf-Geschwader 10.
and just found this from: Jagdgeschwader
We now have 10. (Jabo)/JG 26 was redesignated 10. (Jabo)/JG 54 on 17.2.43 and a new 10./JG 26 was formed 1.5.43 in Vitry from parts of II./JG 26. And 10.(Jabo)/JG 2 became part of the new IV./SKG 10 formed on 10.4.43 as did 10. (Jabo)/JG 54 which would match the unit Wenger was part of. The Gruppe was based at Cognac and flew Fw 190As.
So its possible that the unit involved would be IV./SKG 10 with Lt. Wenger leading.
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| Hi Again Wildcat:
The wife suddenly scheduled in a visit to the local library after my previous post - lo and behold there was the book.
There's twelve-and-a-half pages on the events of 23 May 1943, including photographs and maps, and for both the attacks on Hastings and Bournemouth.
Hastings was attacked by 20 aircraft of II/SKG 10, with Bournemouth attacked by 26 from IV/SKG 10. One of 15./SKG 10was lost to AAA fire, flown by a fellow on his first operational flight. Seems another from the same Staffel was lost in an accident in France.
The book says accurate casualty figures are hard to come by, but gives 34 RAF and RCAF personnel killed or missing, 77 civilians, and an unknown number of US servicemen. It doesn't mention RAAF casualties.
The Luftwaffe said the raid was aimed at the railway station and factories: Lt Leopold Wenger was leading 13./SKG 10 and apparently told Chris Goss that the raid was against the town centre. There's even a shot from his plane. Not sure whether it's a guncam shot, however a woman who was standing on the roof of the hotel in the shot says the aircraft which she saw had been machine-gunning the town.
So, in answer to the original question, the raid doesn't seem to have been targeted specifically at service personnel. |
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Country: | The German data shows daylight missions were socked in due to weather on the 23 May 1943.
You sure the dates are not wrong? |
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Country: | Thanks for the replys fellas, some great info there. It's always interesting reading up on these lesser known events.
mhuxt, I did a search on the Australian War Memorial Honour roll and came up with 7 RAAF personnel killed, not 6 as I previously thought. All dates of death were given on the 23rd of May 43.
Again thanks for the info guys.
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There's twelve-and-a-half pages on the events of 23 May 1943,
| OK guys.
I understand what the Austrailain archives say. I also understand it is not convienant. IMHO, some dates are not correct.
I guess we can just ignore the fact the Germans records show no daylight air activity other than a recon of the English coast on 23 May 1943 due to weather!
On the 30 May 1943 SKG 10 launched a large daylight raid into England. It would prove to be the last daylight raid on England by the unit. |
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Originally Posted by Crumpp The German data shows daylight missions were socked in due to weather on the 23 May 1943.
You sure the dates are not wrong? | Got the same dates up here
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