Captured P-51 in combat?

Aggie08 · 03-12-2007, 09:15 AM

It seems like the most likely explanation is that is was a -109, being as the two looked similar and when one faces a gaggle of 40 German warplanes I imagine one does not take the time to examine any one plane for too long.

Njaco · 03-12-2007, 08:15 PM

Thats what I was thinking. I've got some profiles of very dark Bf 109s from JG 300 which I believe (Erich might correct me on this) were in the Med area of Italy and Rum, etc. just a guess.

Single-Handed-Sailor · 03-12-2007, 09:21 PM

I'd say that the report of a black P-51 as published in that "Checkertail Clan" book was probably a case of misidentification. That kind of wrong ID was pretty common from what I gather.

Erich is right when he says that the captured fighters were operated by Zirkus Rosarius. They were used for evaluation and mock combat against operational German fighters. I think the actual designation of the "Zirkus" was 2.Staffel Versuchsverband Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, or something like that. (Sorry if I have that wrong. My high-school German is way beyond rusty these days!)

It's my understanding that KG 200 engaged in mostly clandestine operations and long-range recce work, yes? Am I also correct in saying that they used Mistels late in the war, or no?

Njaco · 03-13-2007, 06:18 AM

I agree, Sailor....misident.

I do believe KG 200 was flying Mistels against Oder and Ludendorf bridges late war.

I think they also used a Ar 234 for Operation Zeppelin ... a drop of agents in Moscow. I may be wrong but that seems alittle difficult. Maybe I'm forgetting the a/c type. All my research on another computer. Keeps most of the net bugs out.

JG57_Rall · 03-13-2007, 07:13 AM

Hi Gents,
This is the page I found most of the color profiles for captured Allied aircraft color profiles. There is some info on the birds there too.
Captured Allied Aircraft
And the Structure of KG200 with a note about some of their aircraft is on this URL.
KG200 Orginization
This URL is Interesting too.
Luftwaffe Bomber Wing KG 200

Rall

HealzDevo · 03-14-2007, 12:13 AM

Cool, thank-you keep them coming they look like really interesting links. Used to have one that had a Spitfire that had been captured but I can't remember it.

JG57_Rall · 03-14-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HealzDevo

Cool, thank-you keep them coming they look like really interesting links. Used to have one that had a Spitfire that had been captured but I can't remember it.

Your welcome HealzDevo,
Here is a picture and a couple more URL inks for you.

fleetairarmarchive

aircraftresourcecenter

And if you would like to see the pictures of our CFS1 captured flight models, check this link.

JG57/KG200

Rall

Njaco · 03-14-2007, 08:56 AM

Nice pic JG 57!

this should probably be in another section of this forum but have you ever tried CFS2?

JG57_Rall · 03-14-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

Nice pic JG 57!

this should probably be in another section of this forum but have you ever tried CFS2?

My participation in this thread was in responce to the threads relating to KG200 and captured aircraft. I thought I was just taking part in the thread not starting the topic.

Yes I tried CFS2 and found it to arcade like. I prefer CFS1 It seems more of a simulation then a game to me. Besides we have done lots of work on CFS1 aircraft and scenerys in CFS1.

Rall

Erich · 03-14-2007, 10:06 AM

no JG 300 was never in the Med, JG 301 was for a short term with Bf 109G's.

the 325th fg must have mis-identified. Understand that KG 200 was and still remains a stealth outfit and it was against regulations even under a prison term to take ANY photos of the a/c flown by the unit. Were there single engine fighters flown like Bf 109G's / ......yes but not under the pretenses said in the thread. Also according to the book refernces/net about the unit there is still so much more that was done by this KG 200 that no-one will ever know and for good reason

Njaco · 03-14-2007, 10:23 AM

JG 57 That was me...not you...no harm...I was commenting that my reply probably should be elsewhere

Thanks Erich!

I thought as much about KG 200.

last night going through some old books of mine I found a pic of a crashed P-51 in German markings with the ststement that they were used to trail bomber formations giving spedd, direction, etc. to following fighters.

Could be this is what the FG encountered.

Incidently this was Aero series No. 15 "P-51" by Ed Maloney 1967

JG57_Rall · 03-14-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

JG 57 That was me...not you...no harm...I was commenting that my reply probably should be elsewhere

No problem, I did`nt think I had stepped out of topic.

Rall

HealzDevo · 03-18-2007, 07:54 PM

Thanks, yes I think that could be at least one of the pictures. It does look familiar...