AviationDiscuss Carrier operations..... in the World War II - Aviation forums; Thanks a bunch for the info lads, much appreciated! Another question...those "hats" or what they're called ...
Thanks a bunch for the info lads, much appreciated! Another question...those "hats" or what they're called that you see on some of the deck crews in pre- and WWII photos , were they coloured matching their duties as deck captains, ordnancemen etc....
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"When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"
Thanks a bunch for the info lads, much appreciated! Another question...those "hats" or what they're called that you see on some of the deck crews in pre- and WWII photos , were they coloured matching their duties as deck captains, ordnancemen etc....
Gentlemen..... I'm trying to figure out which fighters etc. that USS Yorktown had in her air groups before the war. Any ideas? Did she have the Boeing F4B's, Curtiss BF2C's for example?
TG 1 (Rear Admiral Arthur B. Cook), comprising Yorktown (CV-5) (VF 41, VS 41, VS 42, and VT 5), heavy cruiser Vincennes (CA-44), and destroyers Sampson (DD-394) and Gwin (DD-433), departs Bermuda for 4,550-mile neutrality patrol that will conclude at Hampton Roads, Virginia, on 12 June.
Damn it! The website seem to be down, I can't get to it anyhoo....
Cheers fellas!
Oh! btw....which would you say was the first really successful USN carrier plane? That goes for the FAA and IJN as well....
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JAN
"I´m going back to the front to relax"
"THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT"
"Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!"
"When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"
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JAN
"I´m going back to the front to relax"
"THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT"
"Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!"
"When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"
The entire period of the neutrality patrols was a mix and match of squadrons, Navy and Marine Corps, deploying on available Atlantic Fleet carriers. Even from your noted entry in the chronology there are VF-41, VS-41, and VS-42 from Ranger and VT-5 from Yorktown. Cruise ranged from a week to three weeks, sometimes more, in length and squadrons rotated through.
VF-42 went aboard Yorktown upon its return from the cruise you noted and stayed aboard as Yorktown’s VF squadron. This was due to VF-5 going ashore for transition from F3Fs to F4Fs.
I’d have to drag out my Yorktown deployment data to list all the squadrons that served aboard Yorktown from her return to from the Pacific to the end of June.
I was shooting for the final fixed arrangement which was in place by the end of June.
Rich
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Thanks for all your work Rich! I love reading it! Hopefully it won't be too long before we see a USS Yorktown active in the USN again....preferably a carrier!
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JAN
"I´m going back to the front to relax"
"THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT"
"Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!"
"When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"
As Mike64 stated up there you would not be punished for a "true" accident. More than likely rewarded if you were able to bring the bird down good eneogh for everyone to survive.
When I was crewing helos in the Army and a "true" accident would happen it there was accident board to investigate and find out what happened. All crew members would have to "piss and bleed" to make sure there was no alcohol or drugs in our system and then as soon as the board was completed and everything was found to have been a "real" accident everyone was returned to flight status as soon as possible.
Good point, chief; in these days, urine and blood testing are a big part of any incident. Back in the AJ days, and really up to the Vietnam era, such testing wasn't even in existence, as best I recall.
Once MJ hit the scene, it was a real struggle until we got urine testing figured out and used for evidence against a smoker. Of course, lots of other stuff out there now, but testing is routine and a great thing, in my opinion.
The smartest thing I ever saw was the CO of USS SARATOGA (CV-60); we did not have piss tests, but Chiefs, Petty Officers - all supervisors - pretty much knew who was using MJ, but it was real hard to bring him up with hard evidence, plus proof of "possession and intent". So ,the skipper just turned to everyone and said "Look, these little shits are hiding when they are doing stuff; most likely it's out on a sponson, in a void, something like that. SOOOooo they are smoking in an unauthorized space - a Courts Martial Offense on a ship. Write them up for that" - It cleared up the problem in a real hurry!!
Good point, chief; in these days, urine and blood testing are a big part of any incident. Back in the AJ days, and really up to the Vietnam era, such testing wasn't even in existence, as best I recall.
Once MJ hit the scene, it was a real struggle until we got urine testing figured out and used for evidence against a smoker. Of course, lots of other stuff out there now, but testing is routine and a great thing, in my opinion.
The smartest thing I ever saw was the CO of USS SARATOGA (CV-60); we did not have piss tests, but Chiefs, Petty Officers - all supervisors - pretty much knew who was using MJ, but it was real hard to bring him up with hard evidence, plus proof of "possession and intent". So ,the skipper just turned to everyone and said "Look, these little shits are hiding when they are doing stuff; most likely it's out on a sponson, in a void, something like that. SOOOooo they are smoking in an unauthorized space - a Courts Martial Offense on a ship. Write them up for that" - It cleared up the problem in a real hurry!!
I fortunatly never had to piss and bleed. Fortunatly for obvious accidents such as when we lost both engines they did not make us do it.
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Max –
VF-42 went aboard Yorktown upon its return from the cruise you noted and stayed aboard as Yorktown’s VF squadron. This was due to VF-5 going ashore for transition from F3Fs to F4Fs.
I’d have to drag out my Yorktown deployment data to list all the squadrons that served aboard Yorktown from her return to from the Pacific to the end of June.
I was shooting for the final fixed arrangement which was in place by the end of June.
Rich
Rich,
thank You! Great inoformations as usual!
Were squadrons VB-5 and VS-5 getting SBDs instead of BTs and SBCs at the same time?
Looking at the deployments for Neutrality patrols , it seems that they weren't at sea for a pretty long time.
The website seem to be down, I can't get to it anyhoo....
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