Corsair vs Zero

[KraziKanuK]

Originally Posted by Soren

Haha !!

Are you litteraly saying the Zero couldnt roll at all at over 300mph ??

The sources ?? What do you need sources on ?? What claimes have i made that you need a source on ??

The roll rate of the Zeke was the same as the Typhoons at 300mph IAS, ~42-43 deg/sec at 10,000ft.

At 340mph IAS, the roll rate was 35deg/sec. At that rate, over 10 seconds for a 360, it would classed as a 'slow roll' during show aerobatics.

Even the P-47C, which is not known for its roll rate, is ~2.2 times faster than that of the Zeke.

from NACA Report 868

[Soren]

Exactly !! It was slow, but it 'could' roll !!!

Thank you Kraz ! can I call you 'Kraz' ?

[R Leonard]

If at max speed it takes the A6M about five seconds to roll in to a turn, and it takes a Spitfire some two and a half seconds to execute the same maneuver at the same speed, which one is going to turn inside the other? And if the Spitfire, or F4U, or F6F or whatever can execute the maneuver at higher speeds than the A6M can even achieve, which one turns inside the other? So here’s the A6M driver is trying to horse the poor baby around at 300 mph. I wonder how much of his attention is directed towards correcting a skid, watching for the insipient stall, and other sensory inputs caused by the airplane’s remarkable (in the truest sense of the word, so bad that is is remarked upon) lack of performance in executing the maneuver. Could an A6M roll at 300 plus mph?

oh, s.u.r.e, .o. .n. .l. .y . . .v. . .e. . .r. . .y . . . .s. . . .l. . . .o. . . .w. . . .l. . . .y

in comparison to it’s adversaries. Whoever reaches a firing solution first usually win. In high speed maneuvering the A6M was at a obvious, distinct, and noted disadvantage. Might even partially explain how in the last 12 months of the war F6F’s were credited with downing some 1000 A6Ms in exchange for 75 losses, F4Us 327 A6M credits for 27 losses, and FMs 87 A6Ms for 2 losses.

Though I’d still like to see something beyond just your opinion, it is obviously not forthcoming.

Now, you don’t agree with me; I don’t agree with you; in all probability neither of us is going to change. I’m going to leave it at that and let others draw their own conclusions.

Regards,

Rich

[Soren]

Originally Posted by R Leonard

in comparison to it’s adversaries. Whoever reaches a firing solution first usually win. In high speed maneuvering the A6M was at a obvious, distinct, and noted disadvantage. Might even partially explain how in the last 12 months of the war F6F’s were credited with downing some 1000 A6Ms in exchange for 75 losses, F4Us 327 A6M credits for 27 losses, and FMs 87 A6Ms for 2 losses.

Yeah you go ahead and believe in that !! Jesus christs !

If the Zero wants to lose a Spitfire on its tail at over 300mph, all the pilot has to do is to pull back the stick and the Spitfire will be gone in seconds.

[plan_D]

Sure it will. Even then climb rate isn't the factor to this discussion, turn rate is. The Zero cannot get into turning position, so it cannot turn. End of story really, the Spitfire would be turning inside it because the Zero would barely be able to get there!

[R Leonard]

He obviously didn't read the part about Spitfires, A6Ms, and loops at high speed.

[plan_D]

I'm going to leave it there, I think you put the whole discussion in it's place there Rich. You've quite a lot of knowledge stored up there, mate!

[Soren]

Originally Posted by R Leonard

He obviously didn't read the part about Spitfires, A6Ms, and loops at high speed.

And you obviously believe everything you read, as long as it strengthens your opinion

The Zero's loop would be of alot less diameter

[plan_D]

And you obviously believe the crap you read if it strengthens your opinion.

[Soren]

Well atleast i read Plan_D

[plan_D]

What a moron you are. Now provide your sources or shut up.

[Soren]

I already did But you obviusly can't read

And your obviously not very old, because your simply too rude to be over 15 And name-calling also seems to be one of your primitive defenses.

[plan_D]

My lord, you really are a moron. Your 'source' was a book written by a Zero pilot with no quote at all.

[Soren]

I quoted other sources buddy

[plan_D]

You've already been proven wrong by Rich, who happened to provide sources for everything he said that backed him up. You don't, you just babble.