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06-23-2005, 09:57 AM
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#16 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Yeap exactly and not caused by the Russians.
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06-23-2005, 10:19 AM
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#17 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | Yep - there were plenty of other places and causes to chase. I always wondered what would of happened if the US would of confronted the Soviets during the Hungarian or Czech invasions? To me these were more noble and meaninful causes than Viet Nam. Would it have started WW3 or would of the Soviets capitulated right there? Food for thought!
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06-23-2005, 11:22 AM
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#18 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I personally dont think WW3 would have started. I think it would have just been a really big showdown and in the end the Soviets may have pulled out. We will never know though.
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06-23-2005, 11:43 AM
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#19 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I then to agree with that. I think the Soviets when confronted, seemed to back down, I think they realized their own liabilities and would not risk armed confrontation unless they were assured victory.
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06-23-2005, 03:14 PM
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#20 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | and the west is just as much at fault for the cold war, fact is, no one made a huge effort to stop it untill the 80s, as such both side carry some blame........
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06-23-2005, 04:41 PM
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#21 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass and the west is just as much at fault for the cold war, fact is, no one made a huge effort to stop it untill the 80s, as such both side carry some blame........ | Ya know Lanc, that is one of the most brilliant things I've read from you, and I'm not kidding! 
Yes, it wasn't until the 1980s when the "Bear" was stared down and appeasement was ended that things changed. I think the leaders prior were either scared or worried about public opinion about confronting the Soviets!
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06-24-2005, 02:21 PM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I agree with you. Until the 80's it just seemed as a big showdown. Good Old Reagan with this "Tear Down this Wall" and we are not playing games anymore policy brought an end to the Cold War.
And as what you were saying as they seem to back down when confronted, I completely agree. I think they new that in all out war they would have to confront the US, Britain, Germany, France, Canada, Australia and well basically the whole free world and in the end the only they could hope for was a drawn out conflict. I truely think they too were afraid of the final outcome. No one wants Nuclear Winter.
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06-25-2005, 01:37 AM
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#23 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | we came damn close though.........
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06-25-2005, 08:54 AM
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#24 | | Der Crewchief
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06-25-2005, 09:06 AM
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#25 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Ive worked with some Russians before, and they all seem to look at u kinda funny....
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06-25-2005, 10:00 AM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I have worked with Russian air crews when I was in Kosovo and they all seemed all right to me. The were actually kind of funny. There commander walked around the Pristina Airfield with a hat that was so huge. It was like he was using it to show how important he was. Everytime we stayed with them they tried to feed us on a liquid diet of Vodka!
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06-25-2005, 10:02 AM
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#27 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Maybe he was hiding the Vodka in the hat... 
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06-25-2005, 10:09 AM
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#28 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I've worked with a few in CA when we put together a Mig-15 and a Mig-21. We would hire former Russian test pilots to do the first flight in these aircraft. They seemed pretty decent and were very funny.
I was at a party with one guy. "Yuri" lived in San Diego - that night he polished off a whole bottle of Absolute without batting an eye. He said he "Liked Finnish Vodka and women."
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06-25-2005, 10:22 AM
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#29 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I dated a Russian girl onse here in Ansbach, Germany. She was a cute petite small girl but here name did not match her body. Her name was "Olga". Anyhow things were great until she cheated on me with another soldier and got pregnant. So I dumped her. Anyhow she got what she deserved he packed up and left back for the States. He did not leave an address or phone number and now she is stuck with his kid. Shortly after this I started dating my now wife!
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06-27-2005, 11:40 PM
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#30 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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