Death Trap Aircraft

plan_D · 08-20-2006, 09:26 AM

"So they operated Venturas for under 2 months in 2nd TAF, that is long enough to come up with your supposition. Good Grief."

Aren't you the little jackass? I came to my conclusion from the Ventura's time in 2nd TAF - when the RAF got rid of it because it was useless. I also had AVM Embry's opinion, and RAF crew opinions, to support my idea. 2 months in war is a long time.

And that lip wasn't required dipshit, I don't know who you think you are, but you're not anything on here.

jakal · 08-20-2006, 10:12 AM

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the lancaster kicks ass · 08-20-2006, 12:54 PM

i fail to see how it could've been a death trap if it never even materialised, would've looked cool though, and no more dangerous than a normal -262..........

k9kiwi · 08-20-2006, 04:54 PM

1. It was called "The Pig" by its crews.

2. The last Ventura bomber operation was September 1943 in the ETO.

3. The RAF (not 2nd TAF) decided to replace them in this theatre, they were still used in other areas, Costal Command, Far East, Pacific theatres etc.

4. The Ventura Squadrons were transferred to 2nd TAF because the RAF already knew they were going to re-equipped with better airframes as they became available and could transition the crews, a process that does not happen overnight.

With this re-equipping the squadrons would then be better suited to the requirements of 2nd TAF, and had time to assimilate to their new command structure.

One example of this system failing, was a P/O RNZAF who was transferred to 487 during transition to Mosquitos from the NZ Beaufighter Squadron. Someone forgot to realise he had not done the requried conversion course and he killed himself on his second training flight.

5. I have never assumed (nor wanted) to be "anything" on here, I have slightly higher aims in life.

6. Little Jackass? dipshit? Get a F***ing life. The only times I have been in the Sh!t, is when I had to obey orders from Occifers that didn't know their arse from their elbow.

plan_D · 08-20-2006, 05:18 PM

I already stated the Ventura was known as "the Pig" - you're telling me things I already know to try and make yourself look somewhat intelligent. At least it seems that way.

That last post of yours, and the one before was pointless. I never said the 2nd TAF ordered the Ventura to be replaced. I said I got the idea of the RAF hatred toward it from the 2nd TAF history. I seem to notice you do this a lot on here, go around the threads and jump in all high and mighty with information everyone has already produced.

k9kiwi · 08-20-2006, 06:30 PM

Note to self.

In future, don't have an opinion on a forum.

plan_D · 08-20-2006, 06:40 PM

Opinion? I don't consider you thinking it pathetic that I based my conclusion on 2nd TAF history of the Ventura (and the relevent pilot accounts) a valid, and worthwhile, opinion.

k9kiwi · 08-20-2006, 07:42 PM

Anyway.

Regarding the Defiant. Finally found the schematic I was looking for.

Whenever possible the gunner should abandon the aeroplane through the opening made by sliding aside the the cupola doors; this action also retracts the adjacent fairing. If the cupola cannot be used, the gunner should escape through the service hatch in the floor of the fuselage aft of the gun turret, but first the turret must be rotated to the "guns forward" position, and the undercarriage lowered to retract the rear aerial mast.

loomaluftwaffe · 08-21-2006, 05:42 AM

interesting

pejayte · 08-25-2006, 11:37 AM

The Mosquito was loved by the crew her flew them. But it was notoriously difficult to leave in a hurry. Also, incendiary shells often quickly turned it into a ball of fire. If the crew made it home in a damaged aircraft, a wheels up landing often took the legs off the crew due to the wooden belly disintergrating

loomaluftwaffe · 08-25-2006, 10:45 PM

Parmigiano · 08-26-2006, 05:28 AM

What about the SB2C Helldiver? Apparently was named 'Son of a Bitxh 2nd Class' by the crew: was that an appropriate nickname?

FLYBOYJ · 08-26-2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Parmigiano

What about the SB2C Helldiver? Apparently was named 'Son of a Bitxh 2nd Class' by the crew: was that an appropriate nickname?

I once met a guy who flew the Helldiver, I asked him the same thing. It was difficult to fly and maintain and had a lot of teething problems when it first entered service.

Gaudet · 01-28-2007, 12:40 PM

I'm a researcher of the former air station at Pennfield Ridge (RAF No.34 OTU -42-44)... which used the Ventura as it's principal aircraft. Tons of accidents, over 65 casualities so far confirmed... in my non-aviator opinion, the Ventura was over powered and there were never enough dual control a/c for proper training. The boys that flew them on regular training and got to know how the a/c behaved, love them. But put a fella that is used to a slower machine ussually spelled disaster.

timshatz · 01-28-2007, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k9kiwi

Anyway.

Regarding the Defiant. Finally found the schematic I was looking for.

Whenever possible the gunner should abandon the aeroplane through the opening made by sliding aside the the cupola doors; this action also retracts the adjacent fairing. If the cupola cannot be used, the gunner should escape through the service hatch in the floor of the fuselage aft of the gun turret, but first the turret must be rotated to the "guns forward" position, and the undercarriage lowered to retract the rear aerial mast.

Deathtrap. Gotta be brave to fly in one of those things in combat.